Trevor Morley's Tache
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It doesn't include betting scandals, but I couldn't post the link due to the works VPN blocking anything gambling related.
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VAR thread 2022/23
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Alan Harper's Tash
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It probably wasn’t hugely relevant anyway.It doesn't include betting scandals, but I couldn't post the link due to the works VPN blocking anything gambling related.
They did show fodens offside first by showing the camera then moved it into graphic... very obvious and clear but not so on cameraHaha. So, that's weird. They install cameras all around the pitch, they take 29 data points from each of the 22 players 50 times a second so they can recreate player positions in 3d and show off-side decisions graphically and clearly, and then they decide to show the decision from above and at an angle. They could have just used the camera image :)
Anyway, gets a thumbs up from me so far just for removing referees judgement from ball-release and player positions.
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Yeah was that"how they run it in europe"? I'm yet to see evidence that Europe do it better but that all seemed smooth tbh.They did show fodens offside first by showing the camera then moved it into graphic... very obvious and clear but not so on camera
A swedish ref lambasted the decisions by VAR last weekend... he added a great point in my view... A ref needs confidence when making decisions, sometimes its a gut decision that boils down to experience from multiple similar situations. But when he said was that today VAR is taking that confidence away from the refs... example goal for newcastle... from the only camera view the ref watched in the monitor it was not obvious that the player was pushed into the keeper, but from other views it was cristal clear... the WH goal should have stood as well... both these incidence was afterwards apologiced for... but thats plenty of points gone the wrong way... He also said VAR was introduced to help the refs not as its used now to overrule the ref...
Yes in UEFA competions, england should do the sameYeah was that"how they run it in europe"? I'm yet to see evidence that Europe do it better but that all seemed smooth tbh.
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Thats the nub of it imo. The ref is the one who should be making decisions, and sometimes it is a gut decision, sometimes its a judgement, but they are the ref and they should be reffing the game.A swedish ref lambasted the decisions by VAR last weekend... he added a great point in my view... A ref needs confidence when making decisions, sometimes its a gut decision that boils down to experience from multiple similar situations. But when he said was that today VAR is taking that confidence away from the refs... example goal for newcastle... from the only camera view the ref watched in the monitor it was not obvious that the player was pushed into the keeper, but from other views it was cristal clear... the WH goal should have stood as well... both these incidence was afterwards apologiced for... but thats plenty of points gone the wrong way... He also said VAR was introduced to help the refs not as its used now to overrule the ref...
A selection of random "refs" in a VAR room miles away from the action cannot be the best way to make a decision.
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There are more right decisions now than before which is a step in the right direction.It was sold to the football watching public as 'The Solution'.
In practice it is not, far from it. Why do you think that is?
Do you think it is very suspicious how bad it is implemented? Even if you disregard intentional "espionage", there are so many bad decisions that there is valid reasons to be questioning operational integrity.
It can be and will be improved going forward. It was never going to be perfect from the off and I doubt anything involving subjective decisions ever will be.
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The ref is the one who should be making decisions, and sometimes it is a gut decision, sometimes its a judgement, but they are the ref and they should be reffing the game.
A selection of random "refs" in a VAR room miles away from the action cannot be the best way to make a decision.
So a ref that hasn't got a clue, didn't see the incident and has to rely on a gut decision is a better way to go then having officials that have seen the incident and can tell the ref to have a look at the monitor for a clearer look ?
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It's been 4 years. I think most football fans will be entitled to ask why is it still far from perfect.There are more right decisions now than before which is a step in the right direction.
It can be and will be improved going forward. It was never going to be perfect from the off and I doubt anything involving subjective decisions ever will be.
And if it will remain shit, why can we not hear live how the decisions are taken, so we can better understand the decision process?
Most football fans have the default setting that some referee decisions are going to be controversial. Its how we have been conditioned over the years. Then here comes video evidence to clear it all up and we are still expecting subjective controversial decisions, and even defending these decisions.
Football has a rules/refereeing problem, and if video replays can't solve it, what the fuck can?
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