VAR thread 2022/23

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Stephen230 said:
Whether he’s right or not is maybe debatable. But I think you’re missing his point. He specifically says that Ederson could ( would ) have acted differently without the presence of Rashford. But there is no mention in law of a player reacting differently to an opponent in an offside position, being cause for an offside offence having occurred.

He acknowledges that Rashford has affected Ederson’s choice not to come and play the ball. His point is, he hasn’t physically stopped his ability to do so. That seems totally wrong to every fair minded person. But his job is to point out the actual law, not how fair he thinks it is.
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Forget Ederson, Rashford impacts Akanjis ability to play the ball 100%.
 
inchy14 said:
Forget Ederson, Rashford impacts Akanjis ability to play the ball 100%.
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This is absolutely correct.

Akanji could not get the ball without going through the back of Rashford. Because the lineman had not yet raised his flag Akanji had to assume Rashford was onside and so making such a challenge would have very likely lead to him being sent off. Assuming Rashford was offside and making the challenge would have been idiocy, and Akanji isn’t an idiot. Because of nearly EVERY previous similar situation in the history of the Premier League leading to players in Rashford’s position being deemed as offside, Akanji reasonably assumed that Rashford would eventually be flagged as offside.

For that reason alone Rashford was “interfering with play”.

A decision not to deem Rashford offside was so far outside of established precedent there was no reasonable observer during the incident that expected the goal to be given. Not the linesman, not our players, not commentators waiting for the officials to confer, not any non-United fan in the stadium or watching on TV. And no reasonable observer now thinks such an incident will ever be given as onside again.

The the referee overriding the linesman and the nonintervention by VAR Is more farcical the more you analyse the play.
 
SebastianBlue said:
This is absolutely correct.

Akanji could not get the ball without going through the back of Rashford. Because the lineman had not yet raised his flag Akanji had to assume Rashford was onside and so making such a challenge would have very likely lead to him being sent off. Assuming Rashford was offside and making the challenge would have been idiocy, and Akanji isn’t an idiot. Because of nearly EVERY previous similar situation in the history of the Premier League leading to players in Rashford’s position being deemed as offside, Akanji reasonably assumed that Rashford would eventually be flagged as offside.

For that reason alone Rashford was “interfering with play”.

A decision not to deem Rashford offside was so far outside of established precedent there was no reasonable observer during the incident that expected the goal to be given. Not the linesman, not our players, not commentators waiting for the officials to confer, not any non-United fan in the stadium or watching on TV. And no reasonable observer now thinks such an incident will ever be given as onside again.

The the referee overriding the linesman and the nonintervention by VAR Is more farcical the more you analyse the play.
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It's this letter of the law thing that gets me. "He may have been onside by the letter of the law, but it's subjective". Which is it?

Going through the four or five requirements in the law one by one and explaining how then it wasn't necessarily offside is just mental gymnastics. There is no other game on the planet where that wasn't offside. Still fuming. That one decision switched me from "it's tough for referees and they generally do the best they can" to "something is going on here". It will be difficult to switch back again.

In any case, just spare me this justification bollocks. It was a mistake or it was deliberate. Either way it was wrong.

Not aimed at you, btw. Mr SB, sir. Just another rant about that bullshit decision.
 
Thank fuck this wasn’t against City. They’ve drawn the line from the second last defender and completely ignored his mate behind him who appears to be playing the attacker well on side.

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Just watched motd - how VAR let Toney's equaliser stand I have no idea. Shite, but well done Lee Mason.
 
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