VAR thread 2022/23

[blueinsa]

PiGMOB are not fit for purpose.

Its quite something though to see the speed at which pundits right across the board suddenly come out to call certain decisions horrendous.

Not so quick a few weeks back where they?

 

[bluetonium]

Forgot to draw the lines? Drew the line from the wrong player? Not handball because his arm was breaking his fall? And this is all on one day of football.

Clearly var isn't getting the big calls right. It's also hugely impacting how the officials officiate, and means celebrating a goal is not spontaneous and joyful as it once was.

I used to think VAR was a great idea, inevitable to the evolution of top class football. Then I thought it was the users not using the technology correctly. But it's the whole package that isn't sufficient or consistent. If it stays it needs a rework on its application and clarity on use.

The process doesn't consistently identify when the ball has left one player for offside calls. Frame rate or incompetence regardless, it's inconsistent.

It gets involved in some instances but not others, going back past passages of play on one occasion, but not the next.

The premise of clear and obvious means it doesn't challenge the referee or give him chance to look again, if the threshold isn't met. Yet this threshold is subjective and differs from game to game.

It needs a full rework from the top. Panel of 3 var officials sat apart from each other, not this shadowy office with a match commander breathing down someone's neck. Fourth on standby in case of issues with one, illness, connectivity etc. If 2 or more flag a decision, it is referred for review to the referee. All 3 plus the game officials are mic'd up.

Frame used for offsides is the one where the ball has clearly left the previous player. Any showing potential contact are not used. If the next one shows the ball a yard away, tough luck the technology just needs to get better. Akin to the daylight rule we used to have for offsides giving attackers the advantage. Frames are numbered clearly and those are visible to all in decisions, and to viewers.

Team captains are allowed one challenge per half to contend any decision or incident they feel has been missed, which is returned and reusable if challenge is upheld, and lost if not.

Assistants are told to raise the flag for an obvious offside. Carrying on increases the chances of injury in a potential more intense goal scoring but unlawful situation, and we are already seeing some players play the system by retrieving the ball, seeing the flag stayed down, and then initiating a new phase of play rather than taking the chance on themselves.

It's a horrible feeling knowing that later today when we play, the chances of us yet again taking about var decisions and application of the law is pretty high.

 

[Champions again in 2012]

I understand the VAR who did not refer the ref to the monitor for handball in the West Ham game was the same person who did not refer the ref to the monitor for Fabinho'(?) red card challenge in the Brighton FA cup game. Neil Swarbick, a man who has not officiated at the top level for over a decade and a man who was instrumental in the implementation of VAR in the premier league alongside old mother Riley.

 

[blueinsa]

I understand the VAR who did not refer their ref to the monitor for handball in the West Ham game was the same person who did not refer the ref to the monitor for Fabinho'(?) red card challenge in the Brighton FA cup game. Neil Swarbick, a man who has not officiated at the top level for over a decade and a man who was instrumental in the implementation of VAR in the premier league alongside old mother Riley.

We are at a point with PiGMOB where it doesn't matter who it is anymore, they are all the same as membership of their club relies on total conformity in the way they go about their business and officiating games.

FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS OR ELSE

 

[Gray]

As many of us have said VAR will not be accepted until an independent organisation is running it.

To have 4 PGMOL employees running the actual game and another 3 or possiblty more (how would we know) checking it from a secret room at Stockley Park, is simply unacceptable.

The PL seem more worried about alleged financial irregularities than actually ensuring their matches are officiated fairly and impartially.

As for putting Howard Webb in charge, do me a favour!

 

[Maine Shark]

English soccer has different interpretations of the rules, different referring, different time keeping, different offside, rules changed based on what teams are playing maybe English soccer should be renamed to PiGball as it really is a different game ;)

 

[Nellies left peg]

Lee Mason not drawing the lines to check an offside is laughable. Ffs it’s the only thing he has to do to check it.outstanding incompetence of the highest level. These people need to be accountable and this could cost someone’s place in the league or a title(hopefully Arsenal’s)

 

[Blue Mist]

The article is based on Chris Foy saying he doesn't think the lines were drawn. Has anyone official said anything?

The technology works, the people using it are utterly incompetent.

I agree. 2 mistakes yesterday made by the Var officials. They are simply not good enough. OK linesmen make mistakes in real time but surely when you have tv screen, pause and rewind and a computer, no mistakes should be made.

Questions need to be asked and answered as to why var officials are so poor.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

Presumably this will prove to the conspiracy theorists that VAR isn't specifically trying to stop City winning the league?

VAR Lee Mason FORGOT to draw offside lines for Brentford's equaliser

EXCLUSIVE BY JAMES SHARPE: Christian Norgaard was in an offside position when he crossed for Ivan Toney and the goal would have been ruled out if the VAR lines had been drawn.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The solution is obvious. Use another VAR to check the first VAR. It's natural progression surely?

VAR did a perfectly good job of disallowing Madison's goal against spurs though. His toe nail was fractionally offside so clearly the correct decision. At one time, it would have been deemed level and the goal would have been given. But who wants that?

VAR, Double VAR, even Triple VAR. VAR, DVAR and TVAR. You know it makes sense.

 

[Coljj]

I miss in the first season when we actually got to see them putting down the lines in real-time. Many people would moan on tight calls when it was toes offside.

Now we only get to see a red or green, on or off decision line which has taken away transparency and put more control back in the hands of PIGMOL. Unsurprisingly Liverpool have gained the most from this change.

I personally would like the automated system FIFA introduced at the World Cup to be used.