VAR thread 2022/23

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First Scottish game tonight using VAR after their clubs voted for its use.

The West Ham guy on here made a good point the other week, in reply to those urging a return back to the good old days of no video interference. These other clubs are no doubt watching. They’re seeing the controversy. They’re seeing all the arguments of why VAR is killing the game. Yet they still want it. Why is that? Maybe memories are short and selective and things weren’t quite as rosy in the garden as some people remembered?
 
Stephen230 said:
First Scottish game tonight using VAR after their clubs voted for its use.

The West Ham guy on here made a good point the other week, in reply to those urging a return back to the good old days of no video interference. These other clubs are no doubt watching. They’re seeing the controversy. They’re seeing all the arguments of why VAR is killing the game. Yet they still want it. Why is that? Maybe memories are short and selective and things weren’t quite as rosy in the garden as some people remembered?
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Those that don't have it, want it. OK but those that have it, managers, players and fans, never stop calling it. Perhaps they are fed up with a product that doesn't do what we were promised it would.
 
Blue Mist said:
Those that don't have it, want it. OK but those that have it, managers, players and fans, never stop calling it. Perhaps they are fed up with a product that doesn't do what we were promised it would.
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But most people in Scotland follow the English league pretty closely. They can see all the same faults that we can. They can hear all the managers and players moaning about it. Why on earth would they still want that for themselves?
 
Stephen230 said:
But most people in Scotland follow the English league pretty closely. They can see all the same faults that we can. They can hear all the managers and playif ers moaning about it. Why on earth would they still want that for themselves?
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Is the answer because they are idiots?
What surprises me is when a country like Scotland take Var without any amendments, they simply copy the English model.
It isn't just the BM forum that criticises the way it is used, every week a manager or player will call it out.
 
Blue Mist said:
Is the answer because they are idiots?
What surprises me is when a country like Scotland take Var without any amendments, they simply copy the English model.
It isn't just the BM forum that criticises the way it is used, every week a manager or player will call it out.
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I’d suggest that a long way towards the answer is you view it a lot differently when you’re not personally involved. I’ve seen games that I don’t care about pass by and it hasn’t even crossed my mind there’s been anything particularly controversial happen. Then you see the interviews and the managers are raging about something. Plus we’ve forgotten what it’s like to have a goal given that’s two yards off side.
 
Scotland want VAR because all other top leagues have it and they want to be considered as up there. It's the Emperor's New Clothes.

Wait until the first Old Firm game when it goes wrong.....
 
Douglas Luiz, sent off after the VAR advised the ref to go to the monitor, who then sent him off, has his suspension overturned as he shouldn’t have been sent off.
Something is very wrong with the current set up and it needs better people to be running it. Too many vested interests at the minute where the emphasis doesn’t seem to be on the correct decisions but on not making fellow referees look incompetent, which surely isn’t the point.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Douglas Luiz, sent off after the VAR advised the ref to go to the monitor, who then sent him off, has his suspension overturned as he shouldn’t have been sent off.
Something is very wrong with the current set up and it needs better people to be running it. Too many vested interests at the minute where the emphasis doesn’t seem to be on the correct decisions but on not making fellow referees look incompetent, which surely isn’t the point.
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One of the main reasons Var was introduced was to help the referee regarding off the ball incidents. Villa we're losing 1-0 when the Var referee decided that yet again he was the most important man at that game.
Who knows what would have happened if Luiz had stayed on the pitch, they could have drawn or won and Gerrard could still be in a job. Ah well, it's only a game...... even if they do get relegated, its not vars fault.
 
Blue Mist said:
One of the main reasons Var was introduced was to help the referee regarding off the ball incidents. Villa we're losing 1-0 when the Var referee decided that yet again he was the most important man at that game.
Who knows what would have happened if Luiz had stayed on the pitch, they could have drawn or won and Gerrard could still be in a job. Ah well, it's only a game...... even if they do get relegated, its not vars fault.
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It’s ridiculous. Not only that, there seems to be no attempt to discuss what went wrong and how to make sure it doesn’t go wrong again. Whenever VAR has an opinion, as opposed to a fact based position, he should keep his mouth shut.
 
Blue Mist said:
Those that don't have it, want it. OK but those that have it, managers, players and fans, never stop calling it. Perhaps they are fed up with a product that doesn't do what we were promised it would.
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There's a huge bias in that managers are only going to be complaining when they lose. They'll gloss over it when they win - but, given that their jobs rely on it, they are probably happy that decisions are more accurate.

I bet the clubs and managers (and likely players) would vote for it again every time.

For all the fuss about individual decisions, the only major argument for me is that it changes the dynamic of celebrating - especially in the ground. That's a problem because it's a negative even when the system works perfectly.
 
bluenova said:
There's a huge bias in that managers are only going to be complaining when they lose. They'll gloss over it when they win - but, given that their jobs rely on it, they are probably happy that decisions are more accurate.

I bet the clubs and managers (and likely players) would vote for it again every time.

For all the fuss about individual decisions, the only major argument for me is that it changes the dynamic of celebrating - especially in the ground. That's a problem because it's a negative even when the system works perfectly.
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Steven Gerrard wouldn't vote for it.
 
bluenova said:
but, given that their jobs rely on it, they are probably happy that decisions are more accurate.
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Are they more accurate though? The stats seem to say they are but does that include the mm offside decisions that nobody wants and are only accurate because the laws have changed (by removing the benefit of the doubt to the attacker line).
General decisions don't seem to be any more accurate than they used to be and there's just as much guess work and different interpretations of the laws going on as there's always been, the only difference now is you're never sure whether the VAR referee is going to use his opinion to overrule the onfield referee's opinion.
All VAR does is allow a defender more leeway to push at the edges of the laws than an attacker can as decisions are only re-refereed if a goal is scored, that doesn't seem to be a path to making the game better or even have the pretence of 'removing errors'. Stopping fans from celebrating by over analysing everything leading up to a goal in the nth degree isn't in the best interests of football in my opinion.
 
danielwood5 said:
Are they more accurate though? The stats seem to say they are but does that include the mm offside decisions that nobody wants and are only accurate because the laws have changed (by removing the benefit of the doubt to the attacker line).
General decisions don't seem to be any more accurate than they used to be and there's just as much guess work and different interpretations of the laws going on as there's always been, the only difference now is you're never sure whether the VAR referee is going to use his opinion to overrule the onfield referee's opinion.
All VAR does is allow a defender more leeway to push at the edges of the laws than an attacker can as decisions are only re-refereed if a goal is scored, that doesn't seem to be a path to making the game better or even have the pretence of 'removing errors'. Stopping fans from celebrating by over analysing everything leading up to a goal in the nth degree isn't in the best interests of football in my opinion.
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The way VAR works currently gives the benefit of the doubt to the attacker, as the thicker lines allow leeway in one way only. Something that never really happened in practice before. mm offsides aren't desirable, but then if they're going to be accurate, they may as well be as close as possible. After all, would you prefer an assistant to flag incorrectly, but it's only overturned if it turns out to be more than 20cm out?

Once the auto system comes in for all matches, and decisions are a lot quicker, it'll be interesting to see if that changes things. Once it has the confidence of officials, I'd like to see the semi-auto part taken out, as it sounds like that's just to reassure the officials that it is working. Then it can hopefully work like the goal decision system, where it instantly gives the decision and buzzes the assistant who can flag pretty much immediately.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
That was bizarre today. Almost 3 mins to award a pen when the game was going on! What would have happened has say Brighton scored in that period? Would it have been chalked off?
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I believe it would have been, problem though as Pawson was shit he would have likely let it stand and deny us the penalty.
 
5 Hit Gibbon said:
The one on Haaland looked a pen in real time in the ground today. I've just seen the replay and it was a stonewall pen. How the fuck does VAR miss that? The claim they reviewed it and it was no pen.
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I’m not sure as it was a blatant penalty, unlike the one we got given, where Bernardo left his leg out to make contact.
 
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