Vat on Independent school fees?

[arbabarshad]

The 'relevance' is that those private schools that have, and will, go down the 'international' route are making profits that aren't taxed.

Do you think schools who are already struggling will have the resources to go for international satellite partnerships?

And if some of those 2600 did have the resources, do you think this could be done overnight?

 

[PPT]

Can’t you read properly either?
Maybe you don’t understand the definition of projection. Look it up.

I’ll take that as a ‘no’.
Thank you.

 

[Chippy_boy]

They’ll still find the money, just month to month, but it will still equate to finding a few grand over the course of a year.

I’m bound to say that anyone who makes a choice to spend their money on something that cannot stand (what will ultimately equate to) around a 10% increase always runs the risk of it becoming unaffordable. It’s no different from new cars or foreign holidays vs second hand cars and holidays in the UK. People have to make those choices every year.

I completely respect and defend people’s right to educate theur children privately but if they are making that choice then it should be subject to the same tax rules as any other professional fee.

I think you HUGELY misunderstand the financial situation of many parents who send their kids to private school.

One of my friends ended up moving out of his own house into a something smaller so he could rent out his own home in order to pay the school fees. Whilst we drove e.g. BMWs as company cars, he drove a VW Polo diesel so he could keep a few quid of car allowance, to contribute to the fees. And he drew enormous pleasure from getting 90 mpg out of the Polo so he could save money on petrol. He ended up working in Dubai, on his own living a pretty miserable life all said and done, so he could earn enough to keep his kids in their school.

I have to say, rather ironically, there's a whiff of let them eat cake about your post.

 

[Brewster's millions]

I’m going to hold judgement until at least the budget, but I’m interested to know how they plan to borrow to fund growth….

They’ll tweak the fiscal remit to some extent in order to allow an increase in investment expenditure, but the problem is that this additional borrowing (or at least the vast majority) will still be done through gilts, and the amount of gilt sales already baked-in via redemptions over the next couple of years is painfully high.

The redemptions from the debt issued during the pandemic really kick-in in 2025-26, and just rolling over existing debt, before any new borrowing occurs, already places gilt sales that year above 5% of GDP. Labour can’t help that, but the market is understandably concerned about any change in the framework that significantly boosts borrowing, and specifically the type of methodology they’ll employ in order to justify this additional borrowing.

If it looks like the rules have been tweaked too favourably, and that the government can effectively justify any level of additional borrowing and therefore gilt issuance, then they’ll be a big reaction. Unfortunately the government’s behaviour over the past couple of months hasn’t really helped with building confidence here.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I think you HUGELY misunderstand the financial situation of many parents who send their kids to private school.

One of my friends ended up moving out of his own house into a something smaller so he could rent out his own home in order to pay the school fees. Whilst we drove e.g. BMWs as company cars, he drove a VW Polo diesel so he could keep a few quid of car allowance, to contribute to the fees. And he drew enormous pleasure from getting 90 mpg out of the Polo so he could save money on petrol. He ended up working in Dubai, on his own living a pretty miserable life all said and done, so he could earn enough to keep his kids in their school.

I have to say, rather ironically, there's a whiff of let them eat cake about your post.

Sorry, but this is ludicrous.

The people educating their kids privately are in the very highest income brackets. I posted evidence for this upthread.

If you go past any private school at chucking out time, the parents are not in old bangers, quite the opposite.

My niece goes to a private school. She went on school trips to south Africa and Italy last year. If half the parents were as you describe, this would not be what's on offer. I have work colleagues whose offspring went to Barbados for a netball tournament.

Pleading parental poverty as a reason not to do this is completely unsupportable. You're embarrassing yourself trying to.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Another thread to espouse the Tory sentiment. Reality is that the Tories don’t give a fuck about poor little Johnny whose parents are already struggling financing private education. In fact, they’d rather not see Johnny and his clapped out family car as it brings their own standards down.

Everybody has a choice, make it and move on.

 

[Phil1]

Sorry, but this is ludicrous.

The people educating their kids privately are in the very highest income brackets. I posted evidence for this upthread.

If you go past any private school at chucking out time, the parents are not in old bangers, quite the opposite.

My niece goes to a private school. She went on school trips to south Africa and Italy last year. If half the parents were as you describe, this would not be what's on offer. I have work colleagues whose offspring went to Barbados for a netball tournament.

Pleading parental poverty as a reason not to do this is completely unsupportable. You're embarrassing yourself trying to.

They are so far removed from the real world I’m struggling to believe their arguments are genuine at this point.

 

[N1985]

Sorry, but this is ludicrous.

The people educating their kids privately are in the very highest income brackets. I posted evidence for this upthread.

If you go past any private school at chucking out time, the parents are not in old bangers, quite the opposite.

My niece goes to a private school. She went on school trips to south Africa and Italy last year. If half the parents were as you describe, this would not be what's on offer. I have work colleagues whose offspring went to Barbados for a netball tournament.

Pleading parental poverty as a reason not to do this is completely unsupportable. You're embarrassing yourself trying to.

Correct. Or you could just send your kid to a state school and not struggle like an absolute idiot. The kid would benefit more from a happy parent than a private education, especially when 9/10 the kid ends up with a "normal" job anyway then the parent ends up resenting the child.

It's like buying a Porsche. But you can't afford the 6 monthly service or breakdown repairs.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Correct. Or you could just send your kid to a state school and not struggle like an absolute idiot. The kid would benefit more from a happy parent than a private education, especially when 9/10 the kid ends up with a "normal" job anyway then the parent ends up resenting the child.

It's like buying a Porsche. But you can't afford the 6 monthly service or breakdown repairs.

Or fuel, or road tax. Then it ends up sat on your drive, only good for passersby to look at and smooth over your ego.

 

[johnnytapia]

Have a read of the NASUWT response to the consultation on the private school VAT issue, specifically paragraphs 33 to 40.

I think their submission covers the issue very well and highlights how even SEND students receiving an EHCP could place significant demands on local authorities should private schools close or the supply of teachers be reduced. They also dispute your figures in relation to the proportion of SEND pupils at private schools having an EHCP.

SEND pupils with an EHCP who attend private schools are emblematic of the absolute shitshow SEND education is as a whole. The chronic shortage of specialist school places has been music to the ears of the private schools.

Parents of non-EHCP SEND pupils who elect to send their children to private school will have to either pony up the extra £ or find a state school. Or the schools themselves can lower their fees.

I find it hard to have sympathy for someone moaning about an increase on the 60 grand they currently pay….

Parents of SEND pupils at 'breaking point' over private VAT hike - BBC News

Parents of dyslexic children say there aren't the places or support at state schools.

www.bbc.co.uk