Vat on Independent school fees?

[Chippy_boy]

Bluemoon needs a pmsl button.

It speaks volumes that you find it amusing that some parents are worried and struggling to pay school fees. Not that it reveals anything new whatsoever.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I don’t think it’s particularly left wing to think that they should pay VAT, the first main politician I saw arguing for it was Michael Gove…

It’s not the VAT that winds me up - I don’t even have any kids FFS. it’s the piss poor attititufe of some wankers on here who seem to think anyone on more than average wage is minted and they can be fleeced with impunity. It’s their loathing of better off people that I find so deeply offensive.

Anyway I’m out for a while. Too many cretins on here to waste my time on.

 

[Phil1]

Typical lefty nonsense argument. Basically that you are justified in taking any arbitrarily large amount of money off anyone better off, because they are better off.

Nah, you’ve just gotta read the room Chippy. This is predominantly a forum for working class people who have a football club in common. When somebody is complaining about not being able to afford an extra few grand for their kids to go to private school it won’t wash with many.
I’m firmly in the camp that if you’re well off through your own hard graft then good luck to you and spend your money on what you want.
There’s a few very successful in life posters on here and I’ve no issue with the majority because they don’t throw it in peoples faces.
This argument of yours on this particular subject just doesn’t make sense. Sorry.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Typical lefty nonsense argument. Basically that you are justified in taking any arbitrarily large amount of money off anyone better off, because they are better off.

Welcome to how taxes work. The people who benefit most from the country we live in are the ones expected to contribute to it the most. It's not a novel concept. It's literally how every country on the planet (that isn't a tax haven for people who earned their money in a proper country) works and how every mainstream political party in all of those countries think it should work.

But anyway, we could always just recommend the right wing solution to anyone moaning about this. Just work harder. That's what poor people are told by right wingers when they can't afford things they want.

 

[Phil1]

It’s not the VAT that winds me up - I don’t even have any kids FFS. it’s the piss poor attititufe of some wankers on here who seem to think anyone on more than average wage is minted and they can be fleeced with impunity. It’s their loathing of better off people that I find so deeply offensive.

Anyway I’m out for a while. Too many cretins on here to waste my time on.

I’ve got a few quid so you can’t be talking about me. :-) x

 

[roubaixtuesday]

It’s not the VAT that winds me up - I don’t even have any kids FFS. it’s the piss poor attititufe of some wankers on here who seem to think anyone on more than average wage is minted and they can be fleeced with impunity. It’s their loathing of better off people that I find so deeply offensive.

Anyway I’m out for a while. Too many cretins on here to waste my time on.

"Fleeced with impunity". At least you're getting funnier rather than just aggressive. I assumed you were in the sauce.

Anyway, it's the removal of a tax perk, a subsidy.

If people don't want to pay this tax it's trivial for them to avoid it. Everyone has an option here, nothing is being done with impunity.

 

[bluethrunthru]

can you imagine the improvement in state education if you closed down all fee paying schools. All those sharp elbowed parents who would demand better outcomes, more swimming pools, playing fields and so on for their off spring? Who knows they may be prepared to pay extra in tax directed at education for all kids. It would mean that most likely 32k overseas borders would not be coming here which would appease Reform UK Ltd

 

[meltonblue]

It’s not the VAT that winds me up - I don’t even have any kids FFS. it’s the piss poor attititufe of some wankers on here who seem to think anyone on more than average wage is minted and they can be fleeced with impunity. It’s their loathing of better off people that I find so deeply offensive.

Anyway I’m out for a while. Too many cretins on here to waste my time on.

Was always going to happen given how much the social contract has been broken over the last couple of decades though.

Taking the emotion out of it though, I don’t see this as being fleeced with impunity as it’s not targeting all in that bracket, it’s targeting those that choose to procure a service that they’re currently getting a 20% discount from the state for.

I do think some of their ire should be directed at the private schools themselves too, particularly those that are in that position where they can only just afford it.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Nah, you’ve just gotta read the room Chippy. This is predominantly a forum for working class people who have a football club in common. When somebody is complaining about not being able to afford an extra few grand for their kids to go to private school it won’t wash with many.
I’m firmly in the camp that if you’re well off through your own hard graft then good luck to you and spend your money on what you want.
There’s a few very successful in life posters on here and I’ve no issue with the majority because they don’t throw it in peoples faces.
This argument of yours on this particular subject just doesn’t make sense. Sorry.

Against my better judgement, Im going to reply to this.

I don't have kids. I didn't go to private school. If I had kids, I would not have sent them to one, not necessarily because I couldn't afford it, but because I am not sure I approve of it.

But that's not the point. Many of my friends have been in similar earnings bracket to me and some fretted long and hard about whether sending their child to a private school was something they could possibly afford. One friend (not the one I referred to earlier) had a son who was being repeatedly bullied at the school he was in, and my mate was deeply worried about him. Another friend of mine, his son was bering bullied and he endec up killing himself. He threw himself in front of an oncoming train, aged 13. It devastated the family who never ever got over it. Very concerned about the welfare of his son, ultimately my mate decided he would take his child out of the school he was in, and send him to a private school in the southwest. It virtually bankrupted them, but their son was finally happy. I remember my mate saying to me how broke they were all the time, and I said to "yes but what price your child's happiness", something he thanked me for saying.

These are the only two people I know who have sent their children to private schools. One I mentioned previously who had to move out of his house to pay for it, and another who was effectively bankrupted.

And yet some people on here have the downright temerity to suggest that 20% VAT on top is water off a ducks back? I am gobsmacked at both how clueless and at the same time now utterly uncompassionate and insensitive some people can be.

 

[hcblue95]

He made a sweeping and all-compassing statement. Clearly SOME people won’t blink at an extra 20% but to suggest that is everyone, is not only demonstrably wrong - my mate being a good example - it’s patently bollocks.

Most parents have more than one child and if putting them in an independent school, put 2 or more through a private education. The average annual fees are £16k per year (and someone paying it probably was a higher rate tax payer, so had to earn £28k to pay for that. X2 kids = £56k of their salary. That’s a VAST amount of money for all but a tiny minority. Having to find another £11k VAT (£20k of gross salary) on top is huge.

Yet that moron waves it away as if it’s trivial. What a prat.

Yes but that's just the way of the world. Some people can't afford luxuries and private education is a luxury. It's like saying there shouldn't be VAT on Ferraris.