Vat on Independent school fees?

[stonerblue]

Was born here, so were my parents, their parents and theirs as far as we’ve been back, so eat a bag of dicks.

I’m pretty sure we will be missed. You’re the sort of idiot who complains when the migrants come in and the best leave, then complain about Dr. Singh.

I’ll be out as soon as I’m ready, FWIW I was privately educated too. We’d be in Dubai already but the Dad of the step kids won’t have it, funny thing is, he’s an illegal immigrant and doesn’t pay a penny for them, or any tax.

I’ll miss City and that’s it.

How can an illegal immigrant pay tax?

 

[Jimmieblue]

Was born here, so were my parents, their parents and theirs as far as we’ve been back, so eat a bag of dicks.

I’m pretty sure we will be missed. You’re the sort of idiot who complains when the migrants come in and the best leave, then complain about Dr. Singh.

I’ll be out as soon as I’m ready, FWIW I was privately educated too. We’d be in Dubai already but the Dad of the step kids won’t have it, funny thing is, he’s an illegal immigrant and doesn’t pay a penny for them, or any tax.

I’ll miss City and that’s it.

Don’t blame you mate, if we were 20 years younger we’d be out. It had used to be the best country in the world, no doubt about that, but not anymore. Believe me I am so sad to say that. We have been dragged down and you can take your pick as to what has dragged us down. I’ve got my own ideas but will keep them to myself. We’ve always thought about the grandchildren but now, like you, we will tell them to get out.

 

[BrianW]

I have a solution for this. All these schools could become genuine charities and teach pupils for free, as many of their founders intended. (Eton and Chethams for certain sure.) They could be supported by generous donations from Tories, on which tax relief would be available. Winner, winner chicken dinner.

Except that if anyone could attend for free, these schools would no longer be bastions of privilege, would they? And that's what this is all about.

 

[Scottyboi]

Don’t blame you mate, if we were 20 years younger we’d be out. It had used to be the best country in the world, no doubt about that, but not anymore. Believe me I am so sad to say that. We have been dragged down and you can take your pick as to what has dragged us down. I’ve got my own ideas but will keep them to myself. We’ve always thought about the grandchildren but now, like you, we will tell them to get out.

What do you think has dragged us down Jimmie?

 

[bluethrunthru]

How can an illegal immigrant pay tax?

well short answer is they can't can they but looking at the content of the post you were responding to I'd presume it was from a yank wummer who I would just block and move on

 

[metalblue]

I have a solution for this. All these schools could become genuine charities and teach pupils for free, as many of their founders intended. (Eton and Chethams for certain sure.) They could be supported by generous donations from Tories, on which tax relief would be available. Winner, winner chicken dinner.

Except that if anyone could attend for free, these schools would no longer be bastions of privilege, would they? And that's what this is all about.

Aren’t they called grammar schools?

Part of the success of private (and grammar) schools, in fact a large part, is they are selective. Kids who manage to get in, if they fuck about they get booted out.

 

[Jimmieblue]

What do you think has dragged us down Jimmie?

The dumbing down of everything really. I don’t like mentioning morals really, but they have deteriorated, stemming I believe from what’s thrust at us in the msm. I can’t put my finger on when it started. Don’t get me wrong at lot has improved, more equality for women in my lifetime, men more involved in family life, all good. More acceptance of some minorities. But everything seems to have gone too far now. Celebrities seem to be dictating what our children should aspire to. I could go on, but I have to try and switch off as it makes me sad so perhaps like a lot of people I don’t do much about it.

 

[BrianW]

Aren’t they called grammar schools?

Part of the success of private (and grammar) schools, in fact a large part, is they are selective. Kids who manage to get in, if they fuck about they get booted out.

No, they aren't called grammar schools.

If your analysis is correct, their' success' is based on never having to do anything difficult. We could all succeed on that basis.

All children need to be educated, including those with 'issues'. If such pupils are all booted out of the so-called 'best' schools, they go somewhere else instead. That somewhere else is then derided as a failing school because it has a high proportion of difficult children and consequently, on average, lower outcomes.

It's a bizarre apartheid in education. Of course, your average parent only cares about their own kids. The government's job is to care for all kids, including the ones who are a pain in the arse to teach. But let's not pretend that 'good' schools are 'good'. They're like a craftsman who carefully selects the very best pieces of wood to work with and burns the rest.

 

[metalblue]

No, they aren't called grammar schools.

If your analysis is correct, their' success' is based on never having to do anything difficult. We could all succeed on that basis.

All children need to be educated, including those with 'issues'. If such pupils are all booted out of the so-called 'best' schools, they go somewhere else instead. That somewhere else is then derided as a failing school because it has a high proportion of difficult children and consequently, on average, lower outcomes.

It's a bizarre apartheid in education. Of course, your average parent only cares about their own kids. The government's job is to care for all kids, including the ones who are a pain in the arse to teach. But let's not pretend that 'good' schools are 'good'. They're like a craftsman who carefully selects the very best pieces of wood to work with and burns the rest.

Pretty sure selective state schools are called grammar but whatever.

The rest of your post is exactly right. Do you think private schools have teachers who are better than state schools? Absolutely they don’t - I’m not saying there aren’t shit teachers in state school or apathetic teachers. But the two key strengths are classroom discipline and class sizes. Both of these can be achieved in state schools - and are if you look at grammar / state selective schools. Success for these schools isn’t difficult- in fact I know of a private school that happily took fees for a less than stellar student and come just before GCSE exam time removed said student from most exams to keep their performance up. I mean the cards are stacked in their favour right?

So by extension failing schools aren’t failing because of shit teachers (although there maybe a certain apathy) but because kids fuck about, disrupt classes, etc etc. Sure the brightest kids will still get on but no one can tell me their education hasn’t suffered.

Now does every kid deserve an education? Of course. That’s a given. Kids fuck around for a variety of reasons - want to be funny, bored, no interest, etc, I doubt there are many who simply don’t want to be the best they can be. However they need to be engaged and here I think we should offer kids who don’t want to learn French or biology etc the choice of doing practical lessons like plumbing, mechanics, welding, electrics etc. teach them math, computer skills, English that is relevant to that, ie tuning a car, writing an invoice/quote. It’s no coincidence the golden age of British education was before the national curriculum and schools taught kids subjects relevant to their area (of course we are much more mobile). Kids need encouragement and if a family can see their kids is learning to fix cars or boilers etc they’ll surely encourage that so they can use them to fix their family cars etc.

 

[Zabbasbeard]

This policy is long overdue.