Vat on Independent school fees?

[urban genie]

Girls did home economics and cooking when I was at school in the 70s. Boys did woodwork, metalwork and tech drawing.

we did both in the 80s/90s both sexes

 

[Phil1]

I left school in 1968.
Was never taught any of those.
So just when were they part of the curriculum?

I remember doing cooking in the late 80’s early 90’s but the rest we wouldn’t trusted with, especially the fire part..

 

[johnnytapia]

To fix schools, you need to start by fixing societal problems first. Whilst society is as fractured as it is today you don't stand a chance. People need to value education; for that to happen it needs to start in the home and by ensuring that there is a decent future or dare i say a career for the students at the other side of their educational journey, rather than minimum or near minimum wage jobs in the much quoted zero hours, gig economy.

Amen.

 

[urban genie]

I remember doing cooking in the late 80’s early 90’s but the rest we wouldn’t trusted with, especially the fire part..

Catholic school expect we were being trained to light fuses ;-)

 

[johnnytapia]

£40k a year? I paid £14k. Since when is education a luxury good?

When you choose to pay for it.

 

[PPT]

It’s the politics of envy and nothing else. Parents who send their children to private school should actually get a tax refund.

I couldn't give a fuck about what the LWNJ’s on here think - so don’t bother replying. You are wasting your time.

It’s all about ideology from privately educated lefties.

 

[johnnytapia]

Probably depends on what their children wanted to do, although not many kids want to be plumbers because at the moment society encourages them to go to university, regardless of whether it’s actually going to be worthwhile.

The myth that all studying should lead to a worthwhile job. Learning should be valued in and of itself.

 

[PPT]

Freedom from VAT and charitable status are effectively state subsidies. Anyone on the right of politics should abhor state subsidies, except, perhaps, for essentials. Private schools are not essentials and if the fees go up parents will just have to work harder, cancel Netflix and drink fewer lattes. These schools should stand on their own feet.

I find that people who dislike the state funding stuff have a strange habit of making exceptions to suit their own needs.

BTW I would remove charitable status for lots more things too. Anything remotely political for starters.

The church?

 

[johnnytapia]

For a career in these professions a private education is all but mandatory. To be PM an Eton education puts you at the front of the queue. Bizarre that we prioritise a privileged background over ability. Fishing in such a shallow pool is a shocking waste of talent, yet it is a situation we are conditioned to accept.

We’ve had more Eton PMs than Labour PMs.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It’s the politics of envy and nothing else. Parents who send their children to private school should actually get a tax refund.

I couldn't give a fuck about what the LWNJ’s on here think - so don’t bother replying. You are wasting your time.

It’s all about ideology from privately educated lefties.

If I was your father and sent you to a private school I'd ask for a full refund.

 

[Scottyboi]

It’s the politics of envy and nothing else. Parents who send their children to private school should actually get a tax refund.

I couldn't give a fuck about what the LWNJ’s on here think - so don’t bother replying. You are wasting your time.

It’s all about ideology from privately educated lefties.

Why post of a forum if you want no replies, just talk to yourself.

 

[metalblue]

When you choose to pay for it.

Like state education is free?

Anyroad by that logic private health cover is a luxury good. We have the NHS

Private pension provision is a luxury good. There is a state funded provision.

Sky TV a luxury good. We have free TV.

 

[metalblue]

Besides, choosing to pay for something that is available for free is the definition of luxury isn’t it?

Welcome to communism.

 

[Brewster's millions]

The myth that all studying should lead to a worthwhile job. Learning should be valued in and of itself.

People can continue to learn everyday without doing a sub-par degree and racking up 50k in debt which somebody else will end up paying for.

 

[Blue and true]

To fix schools, you need to start by fixing societal problems first. Whilst society is as fractured as it is today you don't stand a chance. People need to value education; for that to happen it needs to start in the home and by ensuring that there is a decent future or dare i say a career for the students at the other side of their educational journey, rather than minimum or near minimum wage jobs in the much quoted zero hours, gig economy.

Very well said.

 

[Blue and true]

It’s the politics of envy and nothing else. Parents who send their children to private school should actually get a tax refund.

I couldn't give a fuck about what the LWNJ’s on here think - so don’t bother replying. You are wasting your time.

It’s all about ideology from privately educated lefties.

You're on a discussion forum? And you're asking people not to reply? Bizarre.

 

[domalino]

I know I always feel luxurious every time I drink a bottle of Volvic.

Is drinking bottled water at home not considered excessive/luxurious any more?

 

[johnnytapia]

People can continue to learn everyday without doing a sub-par degree and racking up 50k in debt which somebody else will end up paying for.

What’s a sub-par degree?

 

[domalino]

Free you say?

Yeah it’s free, provided by the state for the benefit of children.

Obviously you’re angling for a “it’s not free I pay tax” line, but it’s very sixth form politics to pretend taxation and public spending are directly linked - if you spend a second thinking about it, that doesn’t work on any level.

You don’t have to pay tax to go to school.

You don’t pay less tax if you don’t go to state school.

Your taxes don’t go down if the DoE budget gets cut, they dont necessarily go up if the government decides to increase education spending.

How do you even reconcile your line of thinking with the fact the country is run at a deficit?

 

[johnnytapia]

People can continue to learn everyday without doing a sub-par degree and racking up 50k in debt which somebody else will end up paying for.

“society encourages them to go to university, regardless of whether it’s actually going to be worthwhile.”

What’s “worthwhile “?