VAT

[BlueSkyBlue]

Wasn't having a pop re the figure, they just confused me :)

You probably pay VAT on the Prem badges, the name and the numbers - as they are 'extras' and not part of the garment. I'm no specialist though :)

 

[lancs blue]

bloody tories.

Yep, it was them that did it. 20%. what a rip off. While the rich fuckers hide there money offshore. Tax avoiding parasites.

Without derailing this thread, this is exactly why we have VAT. You cannot dodge it in the same way as tax. If you buy something everybody has to pay it even if like Ric, your money is hidden in a Swiss bank account.

The problem is that VAT hurts the poorer sections of society more than the wealthy. An extra £2 on a £10 item for someone on minimum wage is more punitive than an extra £200 on a £1,000 item for a wealthy individual.

 

[mad4city]

Its not just football shirts... it's school uniforms too!

My wife had exactly the same problem but she got round it by borrowing a pvc nurse's uniform off of Fat Brenda, next door.



(Sorry, couldn't resist it)


No JimH, you can't have pics. Not until you delete the gimp ones, like you promised.

 

[bluekeith]

Still nothing from kitbag today ! I was expecting some sort of rubbish from them , and the shirts are still in progress so who knows when I will get them

 

[beermusic]

Is this why on the kitbag site direct the kids shirts are £5 cheaper than the club site??

 

[bluekeith]

Just received a email from ben in customer services , will follow up after the investigation
Dear Keith

Thank you for your email to Manchester City Online Shop Customer Services.

Apologies for any issues caused when ordering from MCFC.

I have passed this issue over to management to investigate into.

 

[pardoeofftomexico]

Yep, it was them that did it. 20%. what a rip off. While the rich fuckers hide there money offshore. Tax avoiding parasites.

Without derailing this thread, this is exactly why we have VAT. You cannot dodge it in the same way as tax. If you buy something everybody has to pay it even if like Ric, your money is hidden in a Swiss bank account.

The problem is that VAT hurts the poorer sections of society more than the wealthy. An extra £2 on a £10 item for someone on minimum wage is more punitive than an extra £200 on a £1,000 item for a wealthy individual.

FFS all of our governments for the past 40 years have insisted on exemptions to avoid having to charge vat on items such as food and children's clothes when it is charged in just about all other EU countries. I am not sure this will last forever. Yes, a good reason not to be in the EU but all of the main parties are afraid to come out of it. Regarding the children's shirts it just looks like an error that will be sorted out. No one is gaining from the error apart from HMRC.

 

[City & Blue Brazil]

bloody tories.

Yep, it was them that did it. 20%. what a rip off. While the rich fuckers hide there money offshore. Tax avoiding parasites.

Don't go upsetting our players by calling them parasites !

 

[OB1]

I just used the online shop to pretend to order 2x "small" kids home shirts - checkout price is showing as £84 + postage (seems right to me - £42 each)

That said, I also had a look around the internet - even HMRC site says you should be charged VAT at "zero rate" on kids clothes up to a certain size (generally 14years old as per their size guidance, with some exceptions....zzz)

As far as I understand......"Zero rate VAT" is different to VAT free - they have to record the sale at "Zero VAT rate" for VAT purposes - it's different to "no VAT" or "VAT free", but has the same effect on the total cost of an item as not applying VAT at all...zzzzzzzz.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

just bought 2 new kids shirts today total cost £102.51 why have I been charged £17.09 VAT ? I thought kids clothes did not have VAT on them ? If anybody could help ?

The £17.09 isn't even the correct VAT at 20% for £84, it should be £16.80 and....£84+£17.09 = £101.09, not £102.51 - something very wrong with those figures.....

If 20% VAT had been applied it should be £84+16.80=£100.80

£17.09 is the correct amount of VAT if the total gross price is £102.51. That makes a net price (i.e. excluding VAT) of £85.42; 20% of which is £17.09.

 

[bluekeith]

I just used the online shop to pretend to order 2x "small" kids home shirts - checkout price is showing as £84 + postage (seems right to me - £42 each)

That said, I also had a look around the internet - even HMRC site says you should be charged VAT at "zero rate" on kids clothes up to a certain size (generally 14years old as per their size guidance, with some exceptions....zzz)

As far as I understand......"Zero rate VAT" is different to VAT free - they have to record the sale at "Zero VAT rate" for VAT purposes - it's different to "no VAT" or "VAT free", but has the same effect on the total cost of an item as not applying VAT at all...zzzzzzzz.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

just bought 2 new kids shirts today total cost £102.51 why have I been charged £17.09 VAT ? I thought kids clothes did not have VAT on them ? If anybody could help ?

The £17.09 isn't even the correct VAT at 20% for £84, it should be £16.80 and....£84+£17.09 = £101.09, not £102.51 - something very wrong with those figures.....

If 20% VAT had been applied it should be £84+16.80=£100.80

£17.09 is the correct amount of VAT if the total gross price is £102.51. That makes a net price (i.e. excluding VAT) of £85.42; 20% of which is £17.09.

The shirts have came today and the invoice says Total £102.51 VAT element £17.09 I think kitbag are pulling a fast one on somebody

 

[OB1]

I just used the online shop to pretend to order 2x "small" kids home shirts - checkout price is showing as £84 + postage (seems right to me - £42 each)

That said, I also had a look around the internet - even HMRC site says you should be charged VAT at "zero rate" on kids clothes up to a certain size (generally 14years old as per their size guidance, with some exceptions....zzz)

As far as I understand......"Zero rate VAT" is different to VAT free - they have to record the sale at "Zero VAT rate" for VAT purposes - it's different to "no VAT" or "VAT free", but has the same effect on the total cost of an item as not applying VAT at all...zzzzzzzz.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



The £17.09 isn't even the correct VAT at 20% for £84, it should be £16.80 and....£84+£17.09 = £101.09, not £102.51 - something very wrong with those figures.....

If 20% VAT had been applied it should be £84+16.80=£100.80

£17.09 is the correct amount of VAT if the total gross price is £102.51. That makes a net price (i.e. excluding VAT) of £85.42; 20% of which is £17.09.

The shirts have came today and the invoice says Total £102.51 VAT element £17.09 I think kitbag are pulling a fast one on somebody

They aren't pulling a fast one. As I said the VAT element is the correct amount if VAT has been charged on all the goods. The supplier does not benefit by charging VAT: all the VAT goes to HMRC. Whether they should have charged VAT is another matter and they may have made a mistake on that. The decision that hey have to take is whether or not the shirts are only suitable for young (U14) children?

 

[blue44]

I ordered the new away kit for a 6-7 year old last night on line with numbers and prem badges,£52.95

I got the 10 % off for being a season card holder so that brought it down to £47.65

But I then added in a £5 off code from the voucher you got with the 203-2014 season review DVD,it says you must spend £40 or more to get the £5 off

After Id clicked and placed the order Id only got the £5 off bringing it down to £47.95,i got my £5 off but not my 10% seasoncard discount !!!!!

 

[Timperleyblue]

Just wondering if there are any updates on this? I'm still waiting for the club to come back to me on this.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Just wondering if there are any updates on this? I'm still waiting for the club to come back to me on this.

Ordered two for my boys and they charged VAT. Also, they haven't delivered them yet after a week and a half. One of my sons is gutted as he's on a week-long football course and was dying to show it off.

 

[aguero93:20]

I ordered the new away kit for a 6-7 year old last night on line with numbers and prem badges,£52.95

I got the 10 % off for being a season card holder so that brought it down to £47.65

But I then added in a £5 off code from the voucher you got with the 203-2014 season review DVD,it says you must spend £40 or more to get the £5 off

After Id clicked and placed the order Id only got the £5 off bringing it down to £47.95,i got my £5 off but not my 10% seasoncard discount !!!!!

Probably one discount per order, I think it's fairly standard.

 

[bluekeith]

Just wondering if there are any updates on this? I'm still waiting for the club to come back to me on this.

I am still waiting for a bigwig to get back to me

 

[the originalkippaxman]

Just wondering if there are any updates on this? I'm still waiting for the club to come back to me on this.

Ordered two for my boys and they charged VAT. Also, they haven't delivered them yet after a week and a half. One of my sons is gutted as he's on a week-long football course and was dying to show it off.

For T-shirts tops and track suits VAT comes into force at size 33"chest. So anything that is marked up 32-34 or XLB are vat able. In adults sizes XS, XXS and even XXXS are vat able. It seem looks like the Kitbag system has treated the sizes in junior XS as a Senior size XS. This will be an accounting, stock control, System issue. They should refund any VAT you have paid with out question.

They only time a Junior item can be treated as Vatable is if it is an Adults Top or Footwear that falls into the cross boundaries of Junior sizing.

As Stated XS,XXS or XXXS and even size 4, 5 and 5.5 in footwear. Though this was supposed be change a few years back and companies were not encouraged to use these sizes.

Forgot to add Carriage is Vatable no matter what it is shipping.

 

[morleyswife]

Starts up new solicitor firm "Tax bax". Will be randomly calling everyone on an automated dialler and sending many text messages to your mobile. "No win no fee! Have you been a victim of VAT miss selling. Contact tax bax..."

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Just wondering if there are any updates on this? I'm still waiting for the club to come back to me on this.

Ordered two for my boys and they charged VAT. Also, they haven't delivered them yet after a week and a half. One of my sons is gutted as he's on a week-long football course and was dying to show it off.

For T-shirts tops and track suits VAT comes into force at size 33"chest. So anything that is marked up 32-34 or XLB are vat able. In adults sizes XS, XXS and even XXXS are vat able. It seem looks like the Kitbag system has treated the sizes in junior XS as a Senior size XS. This will be an accounting, stock control, System issue. They should refund any VAT you have paid with out question.

They only time a Junior item can be treated as Vatable is if it is an Adults Top or Footwear that falls into the cross boundaries of Junior sizing.

As Stated XS,XXS or XXXS and even size 4, 5 and 5.5 in footwear. Though this was supposed be change a few years back and companies were not encouraged to use these sizes.

Forgot to add Carriage is Vatable no matter what it is shipping.

The two I've ordered are size SB I think, for two six year olds.

I'm going to take this up with city on principle I think. No skin off their nose (as long as they are declaring the vat of course!)

 

[Timperleyblue]

Just received an email from customer services confirming refund of all VAT.