Veganism

[kiam06]

Read up on Dr Max Gerson, Essiac, Hoxsey and the China Study.

The level of ignorance on this subject is astounding yet we watch our friends and loved ones die early its madness.

You are arguing for death ahead of life.

 

[aguero93:20]

Do you ever remember your grandparents talk about meat and two veg? That was only recently there is no way meat made up 60-90% of European diet just ridiculous to say so.

Humans are forgets foragers only on occasions where opportunity presented itself did we eat meat and even then we had to create tools to aid us do that.

You're talking about the period leading from the middle/fuedal ages through to the industrial revolution, where anyone below the professional classes couldn't afford anything other than staple crops and suffered health problems as a result. Very well done. You've picked a period of roughly a millennia (around 3% of human history) where a forced vegetarian diet resulted in misery and suffering.

Anyway...
Hunters and Foragers, (maybe 60% meat and fish)
Herders (first domesticated herd animals) (higher meat consumption)
Sailors (even higher now as more fish could be caught)
Farmers (first real use of crops) (leads to eventual huge health problems as higher numbers of population are forced to subside on staple crops)
Industrial age - Modern age (huge increase in health and life expectancy as more people have access to a varied omnivorous diet again).

 

[inchy14]

A healthy balanced diet contains meat, fish, veg etc.. if you cut out meat you end up supplementing it somehow.
I asked you some questions earlier which you’ve ignored but I’ll ask another.
Do you think your diabetes and sciatica went due to cutting out meat or the fact you lost weight?

 

[inchy14]

Read up on Dr Max Gerson, Essiac, Hoxsey and the China Study.

The level of ignorance on this subject is astounding yet we watch our friends and loved ones die early its madness.

You are arguing for death ahead of life.

Die early? We live longer than at any other time in history ffs, most people live into their 80’s and beyond and that’s likely to continue to increase. You don’t half talk bollocks, I thought you were bad about Otamendi!!

 

[urban genie]

Read up on Dr Max Gerson, Essiac, Hoxsey and the China Study.

The level of ignorance on this subject is astounding yet we watch our friends and loved ones die early its madness.

You are arguing for death ahead of life.

well that just proves you are waffling, as it has been proven that his methods have no peoven successes and hiis enema therapy could cause premature deaths.

 

[kiam06]

You're talking about the period leading from the middle/fuedal ages through to the industrial revolution, where anyone below the professional classes couldn't afford anything other than staple crops and suffered health problems as a result. Very well done. You've picked a period of roughly a millennia (around 3% of human history) where a forced vegetarian diet resulted in misery and suffering.

Anyway...
Hunters and Foragers, (maybe 60% meat and fish)
Herders (first domesticated herd animals) (higher meat consumption)
Sailors (even higher now as more fish could be caught)
Farmers (first real use of crops) (leads to eventual huge health problems as higher numbers of population are forced to subside on staple crops)
Industrial age - Modern age (huge increase in health and life expectancy as more people have access to a varied omnivorous diet again).

Meat only dominated human diets in last 60-80 years since which disease and cancer rates have increased.

You didn't hear of cancer in the 1800's or at least rarely and usually in the wealthy because the general population did not have access to it.

This is simple stuff.

 

[aguero93:20]

Meat only dominated human diets in last 60-80 years since which disease and cancer rates have increased.

You didn't hear of cancer in the 1800's or at least rarely and usually in the wealthy because the general population did not have access to it.

This is simple stuff.

You didn't hear of cancer because we didn't have the medical expertise and equipment necessary to diagnose it.

 

[kiam06]

well that just proves you are waffling, as it has been proven that his methods have no peoven successes and hiis enema therapy could cause premature deaths.

I bet it's been 'proven' by a McDonald's funded study.

Dr Max Gerson's therapy has much higher success rates than any convential treatments.

Poisoning the body with Chemotherapy is not the answer you don't heal a sick body with poison.

 

[kiam06]

You didn't hear of cancer because we didn't have the medical expertise and equipment necessary to diagnose it.

Oh is that it....

 

[inchy14]

Meat only dominated human diets in last 60-80 years since which disease and cancer rates have increased.

You didn't hear of cancer in the 1800's or at least rarely and usually in the wealthy because the general population did not have access to it.

This is simple stuff.

Because people didn’t know what they were dying of. Plus pollution has played a big part in the last 80 years.
I’m not in anyway saying processed food hasn’t played a part but you’re deluded if you think meat is the main reason for societies ills.
Portion sizes, we’ve become greedy, lack of exercise are bigger problems than meat.
We’ve become lazy bastards.

 

[kiam06]

Die early? We live longer than at any other time in history ffs, most people live into their 80’s and beyond and that’s likely to continue to increase. You don’t half talk bollocks, I thought you were bad about Otamendi!!

We don't live longer at all there is just less infant mortality so the statistics are flawed and again published to suit the pharmaceutical salesman or Doctors as you call them.

 

[aguero93:20]

Oh is that it....

Yes, it is.

The first ultrasound scanning machine was developed in 1940.

Marie Curie discovered radiation at the end of the 1800s.

World War 2 and the aftermath of Hiroshima and Nagasaki resulted in huge leaps in the understanding of the effects of radiation on the human body.

This is called historical context.

 

[kiam06]

Because people didn’t know what they were dying of. Plus pollution has played a big part in the last 80 years.
I’m not in anyway saying processed food hasn’t played a part but you’re deluded if you think meat is the main reason for societies ills.
Portion sizes, we’ve become greedy, lack of exercise are bigger problems than meat.
We’ve become lazy bastards.

I agree with you on Pollution but ask yourself where does the pollution go into our food system the soils the water? We then also pollute it further by adding Pesticides and Fingicides.

All toxic to the body all Enzyme Inhibitors and that's the big problem.

 

[aguero93:20]

We don't live longer at all there is just less infant mortality so the statistics are flawed and again published to suit the pharmaceutical salesman or Doctors as you call them.

Infant mortality isn't a factor in a modal analysis of life expectancy.

 

[kiam06]

Anyway I really am done now as it becomes tiresome trying to defend the obvious.

Next time I see a ' He was a good Blue he died so young' thread I hope it's not one of you.

I always feel a sadness that the money men have done such a job on normal decent people please wake up.

 

[blueinsa]

We don't live longer at all there is just less infant mortality so the statistics are flawed and again published to suit the pharmaceutical salesman or Doctors as you call them.

Of course we are living fucking longer you out and out wum!

Does it get you off the constant wumming from thread to thread?

 

[inchy14]

Infant mortality isn't a factor in a modal analysis of life expectancy.

I’ve give up, if pesticides are affecting meat, which I’ve no doubt they can be, what the fuck are they doing to lettuce and cabbage.

 

[Damocles]

Read up on Dr Max Gerson, Essiac, Hoxsey and the China Study.

The level of ignorance on this subject is astounding yet we watch our friends and loved ones die early its madness.

You are arguing for death ahead of life.

You're arguing for ignorance ahead of knowledge.

Conspiracy in front of facts.

Snake oil conmen in front of qualified and respected scientists.

You trust who you want mate, it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me but don't come with the "here's my bullshit theory that everybody must listen to" when your backing is some tosser who is most famous for being a laughing stock who couldn't actually reproduce any results under scientific conditions.

 

[andyhinch]

Because people didn’t know what they were dying of. Plus pollution has played a big part in the last 80 years.
I’m not in anyway saying processed food hasn’t played a part but you’re deluded if you think meat is the main reason for societies ills.
Portion sizes, we’ve become greedy, lack of exercise are bigger problems than meat.
We’ve become lazy bastards.

You can fuck right off with that last line, I've always been a lazy bastard.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Hi Uncle John