Veganism

Sunday roast with the family, chicken, lamb and beef washed down with 4 bottles of McEwans Champion ale!

Lovely jubbly!
 
FantasyIreland said:
@Juan King

Thanks for taking the time with that reply.Interesting from the aspect that you're fortunate enough to be in a position that allows for so much effort with your lifestyle/diet.From my perspective it looks adequate for the average joe but far too low on complete protein if your regularly stressing/training muscles.
It obviously works for you,so fair play.
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The "complete protein" nonsense was dreamt up by the meat industry. It is easily possible to derive all essential amino acids from a plant based diet. When you are looking at a steak or chicken leg on your plate where do you think the animal got its protein from? They don't make it from thin air they get it from the plants they eat.




Mr mountain gorilla doesn't seem to have much problem growing his muscles eating plants.
 
80s Shorts said:
The "complete protein" nonsense was dreamt up by the meat industry. It is easily possible to derive all essential amino acids from a plant based diet. When you are looking at a steak or chicken leg on your plate where do you think the animal got its protein from? They don't make it from thin air they get it from the plants they eat.




Mr mountain gorilla doesn't seem to have much problem growing his muscles eating plants.
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However, he is yet to write a single word. When your day is spent almost entirely foraging for food you have little time for the bigger things.
 
80s Shorts said:
The "complete protein" nonsense was dreamt up by the meat industry. It is easily possible to derive all essential amino acids from a plant based diet. When you are looking at a steak or chicken leg on your plate where do you think the animal got its protein from? They don't make it from thin air they get it from the plants they eat.




Mr mountain gorilla doesn't seem to have much problem growing his muscles eating plants.
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I would guess that is down to evolution and genetics rather than diet.
 
mindmyp's_n_q's said:
I would guess that is down to evolution and genetics rather than diet.
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and considering they are one of our closest on the evolutionary tree you confirm what I was trying to say. Its an old argument. There are lots of examples of bodybuilders and top class athletes who are vegan. I'm not btw but find it interesting.
 
80s Shorts said:
and considering they are one of our closest on the evolutionary tree you confirm what I was trying to say. Its an old argument. There are lots of examples of bodybuilders and top class athletes who are vegan. I'm not btw but find it interesting.
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The argument that you don't get enough protein in a vegan diet is a total myth. I only eat a plant based diet now, I'm tracking what I eat through CRON-O-Meter and I'm actually at 251% of my daily protein target from what I've had so far today. It's easy to get as much protein as you need with a plant based diet if you eat the right kinds of things. Plus you also get all the vitamins & minerals too and cut out the bad things that you get from animal products.

As you say there are increasing numbers of top class athletes adopting plant based diets. It's interesting that most people who try & talk down vegan diets have never tried them. If there are athletes that have tried both omnivorous & plant based diets & are then picking the plant based one, you can see there is something to it. From my own person experience it's one of the best things I've done along with packing in alcohol.
 
Juan King said:
The argument that you don't get enough protein in a vegan diet is a total myth. I only eat a plant based diet now, I'm tracking what I eat through CRON-O-Meter and I'm actually at 251% of my daily protein target from what I've had so far today. It's easy to get as much protein as you need with a plant based diet if you eat the right kinds of things. Plus you also get all the vitamins & minerals too and cut out the bad things that you get from animal products.

As you say there are increasing numbers of top class athletes adopting plant based diets. It's interesting that most people who try & talk down vegan diets have never tried them. If there are athletes that have tried both omnivorous & plant based diets & are then picking the plant based one, you can see there is something to it. From my own person experience it's one of the best things I've done along with packing in alcohol.
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I am seriously considering trying this for a time. I am lucky in that I like cooking and also really like vegetables and salad foods. Little by little the amount of animal protein I am consuming is getting smaller.
 
80s Shorts said:
I am seriously considering trying this for a time. I am lucky in that I like cooking and also really like vegetables and salad foods. Little by little the amount of animal protein I am consuming is getting smaller.
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I was always a big meat eater, up until about 19 months ago I would have found it nearly impossible to even have one meal that didn't contain some kind of animal based ingredient. I had about 15 months where I changed my diet and only ate meat about twice a week, then I cut out animal foods altogether & have been this way for about the last 4 months & it's been fairly easy. I'm into my cooking too, at first it seemed a bit daunting to basically ditch most of what I have cooked all my life. I'm now really enjoying making different things & the challenge of making things with no meat in, I've tried eating many more new ingredients too since I went plant based. It's not hard at all, I probably spend less time cooking now that I did when I ate meat.
 
Juan King said:
From my own person experience it's one of the best things I've done along with packing in alcohol.
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So what exactly is the point in life?

Who doesn't love, as I had tonight, a beautiful fillet steak and side salad with a couple of glasses of red.

Not sure how anyone could cut that out and think they've improved their situation.
 
SWP's back said:
So what exactly is the point in life?

Who doesn't love, as I had tonight, a beautiful fillet steak and side salad with a couple of glasses of red.

Not sure how anyone could cut that out and think they've improved their situation.
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If you can do without the steak then the cow can be said to have an improved situation.
 
SWP's back said:
So what exactly is the point in life?

Who doesn't love, as I had tonight, a beautiful fillet steak and side salad with a couple of glasses of red.

Not sure how anyone could cut that out and think they've improved their situation.
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Maybe, just maybe it's not all about us?
 
SWP's back said:
So what exactly is the point in life?

Who doesn't love, as I had tonight, a beautiful fillet steak and side salad with a couple of glasses of red.

Not sure how anyone could cut that out and think they've improved their situation.
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Each to their own, but for me there is more to life than meat & alcohol.

My situation has improved a lot since I cut both these things out. I initially gave up eating animal products for health benefits, I saw immediate benefits from doing this. I have more energy, I feel much better physically, I recover better from doing sports or exercise, I had a few patches of dry skin which cleared up, I have cut my risk of developing many serious health issues massively, I am eating much better & getting all of my vitamins & minerals, to name a few. Since making this transition I have looked into the meat, dairy & egg industries in more detail & now I wouldn't consume any of these products as I can no longer justify supporting industries which cause death & suffering to sentient creatures for no other reason that we like how they taste. I also now will no longer purchase any other animal based products such as clothing, toiletries etc for the same reason. I get much more pleasure from this than I did from the taste of meat, which I did used to love but simply can't justify anymore. Thirdly the way meat is produced and the scale that it is consumed now is becoming unsustainable and is causing major environmental issues, by consuming less or cutting out meat altogether, people are making a positive contribution to reducing the environmental impact and improving the situation for everyone.

Regarding alcohol, again each to their own, and although not related to veganism directly, my post was about the health benefits I have realised since moving to a plant based diet. The comment was along with cutting out alcohol these two things have had the greatest impact health wise for me personally. The benefits of giving up drinking are massive both mentally & physically. If anyone packs it in for a few months they will see what I mean.
 
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Juan King said:
Regarding alcohol, again each to their own, and although not related to veganism directly, my post was about the health benefits I have realised since moving to a plant based diet and the comment was along with cutting out alcohol these two things have had the greatest impact health wise for me personally. The benefits of giving up drinking are massive both mentally & phsically. If anyone packs it in for a few months they will see what I mean.
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Were you drinking heavily or dependent out of interest?
 
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