super_city_si
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Oh I dunno
hahah at first glance i thought that said 'solvent green'
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hahah at first glance i thought that said 'solvent green'
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Good, it'd take away all the fun if they didn't.
mammutly
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There is no 'harm free' existence. I don't think most vegans pretend otherwise. Veganism: "Is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."
At the heart of one's ethics should be consistency. Why treat or knowingly promote the exploitation of a thing with no real justification for doing so?
The justification for me is in nature. I live in the world, I'm not a passenger on it. Veganism is an artificial ideal that's only possible in a food net Western economy. That said, I respect conscious living and vegans are thoughtful at least.
MellowJoe
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The justification for me is in nature. I live in the world, I'm not a passenger on it. Veganism is an artificial ideal that's only possible in a food net Western economy. That said, I respect conscious living and vegans are thoughtful at least.
I look at veganism as philosophical position (and that is what it is usually described as) Appeal to nature is a fallacy. We are of nature of course, what isn't? But it isn't an excuse. We do our 'can't give a shit' stuff, but there is a logic to veganism that is undeniable.
I look at veganism as philosophical position (and that is what it is usually described as) Appeal to nature is a fallacy. We are of nature of course, what isn't? But it isn't an excuse. We do our 'can't give a shit' stuff, but there is a logic to veganism that is undeniable.
There's a logic to killing all Mexican people called Bob aswell, but that doesn't mean the logic isn't flawed or stupid.
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They have a choice and opinion. That is where it should endThe justification for me is in nature. I live in the world, I'm not a passenger on it. Veganism is an artificial ideal that's only possible in a food net Western economy. That said, I respect conscious living and vegans are thoughtful at least.
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andyhinch
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Philosophically at its basic level is an animals only purpose on earth is too provide food for other animals ? It's not called a food chain for nothing, as for the logic to veganism ? Are you denyig the logic of evolution ?I look at veganism as philosophical position (and that is what it is usually described as) Appeal to nature is a fallacy. We are of nature of course, what isn't? But it isn't an excuse. We do our 'can't give a shit' stuff, but there is a logic to veganism that is undeniable.
MellowJoe
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Philosophically at its basic level is an animals only purpose on earth is too provide food for other animals ? It's not called a food chain for nothing, as for the logic to veganism ? Are you denyig the logic of evolution ?
Purpose is a tricky word. To what end are all these 'sacrifices' made? But, ok, let's go with the the circle-of-life stuff. How does this enter the realms of ethics? Are you saying that because this is the way of things, that it must be right/good?
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I watched big cats on the bbc the other night, the lions killed a giraffe, why , because they were hungry.
Bastards.
We as a species do the same, and once we started eating meat and absorbing the likes of B12 growing our brains and nervous systems and becoming more inteligent beings who can reason and build, we evolved, unfortunately to a point of stupidity where we think we know better than nature.
Yes meat releases chemical opiods to our sytem and is like a drug, a drug that was part of us becoming what we are.
tbf maybe we were better as another member of the animal kingdom and eating fruit and nuts and not destroying everything in our path.
Bastards.
We as a species do the same, and once we started eating meat and absorbing the likes of B12 growing our brains and nervous systems and becoming more inteligent beings who can reason and build, we evolved, unfortunately to a point of stupidity where we think we know better than nature.
Yes meat releases chemical opiods to our sytem and is like a drug, a drug that was part of us becoming what we are.
tbf maybe we were better as another member of the animal kingdom and eating fruit and nuts and not destroying everything in our path.
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andyhinch
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Toby wants to know by the way, the ecosystem is delicate I'm sure you'll agree, you might find this hard to believe but I'm a bit of an ecomentalist at heart, all matter gets recycled mostly though the food chain, my fight is with ethical sourcing of food not what you eat, I'll only ever support hunting if it's to provide a food source, or pest control and i've got my own views on that, I know your views on farmers is bad and I can empathise with that, I know some great ones that keep rare breeds better than thier wives, ask and I'll take you to one, or an ethical hunt, no guns no dogs, no trapsPurpose is a tricky word. To what end are all these 'sacrifices' made? But, ok, let's go with the the circle-of-life stuff. How does this enter the realms of ethics? Are you saying that because this is the way of things, that it must be right/good?
MellowJoe
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Toby wants to know by the way, the ecosystem is delicate I'm sure you'll agree, you might find this hard to believe but I'm a bit of an ecomentalist at heart, all matter gets recycled mostly though the food chain, my fight is with ethical sourcing of food not what you eat, I'll only ever support hunting if it's to provide a food source, or pest control and i've got my own views on that, I know your views on farmers is bad and I can empathise with that, I know some great ones that keep rare breeds better than thier wives, ask and I'll take you to one, or an ethical hunt, no guns no dogs, no traps
I see that as a big contradiction sadly. 'Humanely slaughtered' is a kind of oxymoron. There are plenty of other things to eat.
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Give ot a rest
some of us eat meat and ain't gonna change
some of us are vegetarians
some or us are vegans
this thread was originallý informative, now it's a bit preachy.
each to their fucking own I say
some of us eat meat and ain't gonna change
some of us are vegetarians
some or us are vegans
this thread was originallý informative, now it's a bit preachy.
each to their fucking own I say
MellowJoe
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Give ot a rest
some of us eat meat and ain't gonna change
some of us are vegetarians
some or us are vegans
this thread was originallý informative, now it's a bit preachy.
each to their fucking own I say
Thread is hereby useless.. Urban Genie said so. Veganism is debunked.. Ethics is a non subject.
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Thread is hereby useless.. Urban Genie said so. Veganism is debunked.. Ethics is a non subject.
Thread is hereby useless.. Urban Genie said so. Veganism is debunked.. Ethics is a non subject.
Said nothing of the sort
If you want to be a vegan, then be a vegen, fair fucks to you, if not then each to your own no ones business but yours and live with your choices.
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mammutly
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I look at veganism as philosophical position (and that is what it is usually described as) Appeal to nature is a fallacy. We are of nature of course, what isn't? But it isn't an excuse. We do our 'can't give a shit' stuff, but there is a logic to veganism that is undeniable.
I'm not seeing the undeniable logic. What I am seeing is assertion dressed up as fact.
If nature is as nature is. Then veganism is unnatural.
Bilboblue
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Not bothered how it gets there, as long as the end product is tasty.
East Level 2
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Clearly a member of PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals.Not bothered how it gets there, as long as the end product is tasty.
MellowJoe
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I'm not seeing the undeniable logic. What I am seeing is assertion dressed up as fact.
If nature is as nature is. Then veganism is unnatural.
I don't really follow your last point, sorry. I think the argument is dirt simple. (Unnecessary) harm is bad (I think most people would grant that) so, animals being the conscious, sentient, pain feeling creatures they are, it would be wrong to inflict harm on them for trivial reasons. Eg. Taste buds.
TCIB
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I don't really follow your last point, sorry. I think the argument is dirt simple. (Unnecessary) harm is bad (I think most people would grant that) so, animals being the conscious, sentient, pain feeling creatures they are, it would be wrong to inflict harm on them for trivial reasons. Eg. Taste buds.
The definition of "necessary" i feel is open to personal interpretation here.
Humans started to take root and farm animals it was the greatest time of advancement in our species time. This was due solely to us having more time to contemplate and not forage, hunt and gather. With that i suggest we are regressing into allegory and personal standards of being, what constitutes humanity etc. We are here now because we "won the race" and the rest could be considered the spoils of war, after all we are a warring species to!
There is no plan or path from here but what we make of it is my opinion. We should take care of our planet more than we do a lot more than we do already though.
If a cow has felt grass under the hoof and enjoyed a nice life then one day poof it is just lights out, i can deal with that. Any suffering though is not something i would ever support regarding animals. We have a duty to them all as the dominant species with all the tools at our disposal, our brain being the main one. We seem to not engage it on global issues though to any extent as it does not make money.
I get that a native Chinese person may look at my dog as food, i get that. Just as i get cows are sacred to Hindu's. I just think if they tried to eat my dog i'd carve their heart out with a chainsaw. People hold different values and i respect that in life, not much more to say really.