Veganism

I've no problem with your decision not to eat meat, that is not the issue here. I DO have a problem with your assumption that others choosing to eat meat are wrong and you're a better person than they are because of it.

Again, since you didn't pick up on the religion comparison (and are failing to see what people are getting at), do you think you are a better person for not believing in organised religion to those who do? Simple yes or no will do.

A better person? No. A more realistic person/ethical person yes. The facts are there. Some can claim ignorance (that is fine) but others are lying to themselves. It really isn't that hard to admit you are a disgusting arrangement of psychological shit. You can still live.
 
A better person? No. A more realistic person/ethical person yes. The facts are there. Some can claim ignorance (that is fine) but others are lying to themselves. It really isn't that hard to admit you are a disgusting arrangement of psychological shit. You can still live.
In. Your. Opinion.

And opinions like yours are poisonous and no different to those of the people you condescend. To say you're more ethical yet hold these views is laughably hypocritical.
 
Non issue. We enter life and we make our judgements. Are you saying all past actions are right?

it's the fundamental issue. You make your judgement, not all past actions are right, eating meat demonstrably was throughout human history, but you're coming along saying that people's current actions are wrong, and that they're stupid if they disagree with you because people like you are somehow better, even when you are actually less human than those you disrespect and berate for their life choices.
 
In. Your. Opinion.

And opinions like yours are poisonous and no different to those of the people you condescend. To say you're more ethical yet hold these views is laughably hypocritical.

What are you on about?

Ok. Pain is the only reason anything matters. Give a reason why discomfort doesn't matter.. If we didn't feel there would be no problem. Do you want a more peaceful world? Or is nature the daddy? I don't get your point. I have no idea what angle you are coming from.
 
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What are you on about?

Ok. Pain is the only reason anything matters. Give a reason why discomfort doesn't matter.. If we didn't feel there would be no problem. Do you want a more peaceful world? Or is nature the daddy? I don't get your point. I have no idea what angle you are coming from.
You want to rid the world of pain and suffering? A noble sentiment, why hasn't ANYBODY thought of doing that before? Think of how many lives could be improved, both Man (sorry person) and Beast?

And your five step plan for this is to first get the nasty omnivores to stop eating meat? What's next, tell all the religious people to stop believing in what you call God or i'll call you nasty names and make you feel inferior to me?
 
it's the fundamental issue. You make your judgement, not all past actions are right, eating meat demonstrably was throughout human history, but you're coming along saying that people's current actions are wrong, and that they're stupid if they disagree with you because people like you are somehow better, even when you are actually less human than those you disrespect and berate for their life choices.

I don't even know if you saying I am less human is an insult. Humans are fantastic? Look at it objectively. WE PLAY THE GAME, not through choice. How is creating suffering OK? when it is needless? We are smart now, we have evolved to ask the question of life. Do we shrug our shoulders?

I said from the beginning... only those that know the facts and carry on eating meat are selfish cunts. The ignorant I can not blame.
 
A better person? No. A more realistic person/ethical person yes. The facts are there. Some can claim ignorance (that is fine) but others are lying to themselves. It really isn't that hard to admit you are a disgusting arrangement of psychological shit. You can still live.
Hoo hoo here we go, back into a corner and the name calling's coming out.

You didn't answer my question about stuff made in sweat shops? You've decided that today's important topic is letting the world know that you don't consume animal products for some fucking idealogical reason no sane person believes in - but quietly ignored all the things that make you a hypocrite. You're on a hiding to nothing here, from all corners.
Go and have a sleep on it - presumably in a bed with a duvet which will have animal products in it - after having your coco/coffee which will have been sourced from somewhere in the third world without a Fairtrade label on it and set your alarm on your iPhone made by Foxconn in a Chinese sweat shop factory by peasants living 10 to a room. And that electricity that powers your bedside light being generated by evil stinking coalfired powerstations or even worse nuclear power. And in the morning you'll put your £9 Tesco kettle on (made in a sweatshop again) and make yourself a brew using leaves plucked by 3rd world peasants in India - but you want put cows milk in it, you'll drink it black and then you'll wash your cup out using Fairy Liquid with it chemical mix of good knows what (animal/vegetable/mineral) and dry it with a teatowl made yet again in a sweatshop with cotton harvest by 3rd world peasants yet again. There's really nowhere for you to go is there? You're stuck in a machine. There appears to be only one way out for you doesn't there? Good job cannibalism is illegal, or you could easily find yourself on someone's plate for dinner - and thus saving an animal somewhere! Circle would be squared then wouldn't it?

Gun 4 fish nil - this is easier than City scoring against Sunderland first half Tuesday night!
 
You want to rid the world of pain and suffering? A noble sentiment, why hasn't ANYBODY thought of doing that before? Think of how many lives could be improved, both Man (sorry person) and Beast?

And your five step plan for this is to first get the nasty omnivores to stop eating meat? What's next, tell all the religious people to stop believing in what you call God or i'll call you nasty names and make you feel inferior to me?

You missed his thread on having a vial of poison and would you break it open to end world suffering.

Very Davros.

To hold in my hand a capsule that contains such power, to know that life and death on such a scale was my choice.

To know that the tiny pressure on my thumb, enough to break the glass, would end everything.

Yes, I would do it!

That power would set me up above the gods.

And through the Vegans, I shall have that power!
 
Hoo hoo here we go, back into a corner and the name calling's coming out.

You didn't answer my question about stuff made in sweat shops? You've decided that today's important topic is letting the world know that you don't consume animal products for some fucking idealogical reason no sane person believes in - but quietly ignored all the things that make you a hypocrite. You're on a hiding to nothing here, from all corners.
Go and have a sleep on it - presumably in a bed with a duvet which will have animal products in it - after having your coco/coffee which will have been sourced from somewhere in the third world without a Fairtrade label on it and set your alarm on your iPhone made by Foxconn in a Chinese sweat shop factory by peasants living 10 to a room. And that electricity that powers your bedside light being generated by evil stinking coalfired powerstations or even worse nuclear power. And in the morning you'll put your £9 Tesco kettle on (made in a sweatshop again) and make yourself a brew using leaves plucked by 3rd world peasants in India - but you want put cows milk in it, you'll drink it black and then you'll wash your cup out using Fairy Liquid with it chemical mix of good knows what (animal/vegetable/mineral) and dry it with a teatowl made yet again in a sweatshop with cotton harvest by 3rd world peasants yet again. There's really nowhere for you to go is there? You're stuck in a machine. There appears to be only one way out for you doesn't there? Good job cannibalism is illegal, or you could easily find yourself on someone's plate for dinner - and thus saving an animal somewhere! Circle would be squared then wouldn't it?

Gun 4 fish nil - this is easier than City scoring against Sunderland first half Tuesday night!

I tell you what mate.. why not 'up' the pain eh? Let's fucking crucify all animals.. Let's exploit the kids, Let's eat things alive eh?

Fucking moron... nothing will change with your attitude. I acknowledge things are unfair and how lucky I am. How about we take steps eh? Too hard? Want to be a dick head and say 'life is life'?
 
I don't even know if you saying I am less human is an insult. Humans are fantastic? Look at it objectively. WE PLAY THE GAME, not through choice. How is creating suffering OK? when it is needless? We are smart now, we have evolved to ask the question of life. Do we shrug our shoulders?

I said from the beginning... only those that know the facts and carry on eating meat are selfish cunts. The ignorant I can not blame.

well, you're wrong. You clearly don't understand the human condition, fundamental aspects of our existence or those of nature. You want to change the rules that have allowed you to exist. You want to stop us eating meat, great, then sit back and watch as cows, sheep and pigs become extinct within a century, completely defenceless and predated upon. Watch how certain species become rampant, uncontrollable, watch how damaging that entire ecosystem can lead to crop blight, severe famines and an inability for us to feed ourselves. What are you going to do then when you've starved even more millions than are being starved already, when thousands live in areas where they can barely grow anything?

A plant based diet would have kept us in the trees, and it will fail to match the success of a mixed diet with multiple nutritional sources, and don't even breathe the word "lab grown food", because that is the antithesis of a nature hugging numpty.
 
Hoo hoo here we go, back into a corner and the name calling's coming out.

You didn't answer my question about stuff made in sweat shops? You've decided that today's important topic is letting the world know that you don't consume animal products for some fucking idealogical reason no sane person believes in - but quietly ignored all the things that make you a hypocrite. You're on a hiding to nothing here, from all corners.
Go and have a sleep on it - presumably in a bed with a duvet which will have animal products in it - after having your coco/coffee which will have been sourced from somewhere in the third world without a Fairtrade label on it and set your alarm on your iPhone made by Foxconn in a Chinese sweat shop factory by peasants living 10 to a room. And that electricity that powers your bedside light being generated by evil stinking coalfired powerstations or even worse nuclear power. And in the morning you'll put your £9 Tesco kettle on (made in a sweatshop again) and make yourself a brew using leaves plucked by 3rd world peasants in India - but you want put cows milk in it, you'll drink it black and then you'll wash your cup out using Fairy Liquid with it chemical mix of good knows what (animal/vegetable/mineral) and dry it with a teatowl made yet again in a sweatshop with cotton harvest by 3rd world peasants yet again. There's really nowhere for you to go is there? You're stuck in a machine. There appears to be only one way out for you doesn't there? Good job cannibalism is illegal, or you could easily find yourself on someone's plate for dinner - and thus saving an animal somewhere! Circle would be squared then wouldn't it?

Gun 4 fish nil - this is easier than City scoring against Sunderland first half Tuesday night!
That's not a gun you're using...

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I tell you what mate.. why not 'up' the pain eh? Let's fucking crucify all animals.. Let's exploit the kids, Let's eat things alive eh?

Fucking moron... nothing will change with your attitude. I acknowledge things are unfair and how lucky I am. How about we take steps eh? Too hard? Want to be a dick head and say 'life is life'?
Okay, calm down and cease with the insults, eh.

How old are you exactly? 30's? 40's? 50's?
 
I tell you what mate.. why not 'up' the pain eh? Let's fucking crucify all animals.. Let's exploit the kids, Let's eat things alive eh?

Fucking moron... nothing will change with your attitude. I acknowledge things are unfair and how lucky I am. How about we take steps eh? Too hard? Want to be a dick head and say 'life is life'?
I think the only person being a dickhead on this thread is the OP

I'm sure there's plenty of vegan forums you can crow on with your cronies about how wonderful and superior and high and mighty you all are
BM is full of ordinary blokes (mostly, and karen and girlbob) who can see straight through nobs like you

But you are a fucking hypocrite who's got on his soapbox tonight for some reason - so don't call me a fucking moron because you got out of the wrong side of bed this morning
 
You know what it boils down to.. You come into the world, grow up, and self aggrandize the fuck out of yourself. The world is ours! Ignore the facts.. No room for improvement, no sacrifices can be made. What a great deal... and you try and rationalize your needless murderous behaviour. Oh but wait.. it's nature don't you know... we can't figure out we should change.
 
You know what it boils down to.. You come into the world, grow up, and self aggrandize the fuck out of yourself. The world is ours! Ignore the facts.. No room for improvement, no sacrifices can be made. What a great deal... and you try and rationalize your needless murderous behaviour. Oh but wait.. it's nature don't you know... we can't figure out we should change.

meanwhile, thousands of animals have just been eaten by other animals. Nature approves of this, and determines this an acceptable way for all creatures to conduct themselves.

Welcome to the ecosystem, welcome to the real world, welcome to life.
 
I think the only person being a dickhead on this thread is the OP

I'm sure there's plenty of vegan forums you can crow on with your cronies about how wonderful and superior and high and mighty you all are
BM is full of ordinary blokes (mostly, and karen and girlbob) who can see straight through nobs like you

But you are a fucking hypocrite who's got on his soapbox tonight for some reason - so don't call me a fucking moron because you got out of the wrong side of bed this morning

I apologise. You are what nature made you.

Again, I don't give a shit about what other vegans think. Ordinary dicks who wont take a glimpse at life and their part in it.
 

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