Veganism

west didsblue said:
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Or
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No contest really.
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Can't beat meat (lol)

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BlueTangerine said:
Bred to feed. Stood up being milked all day, dragged about, exploited, kept enclosed, artificially inseminated, milk not for their calves but for us, throats slit, chopped up la la la etc. Sounds like a riot.
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If you're offering to take their place...
 
One for the veggies - courtesy of Ali G

If I handed you a burger and had a gun to a cow's head and said eat it or I'll shoot the cow.
Would you eat it to save the life of the cow?
 
KenTheLandlord said:
More cows than chickens? or rodents? or bats? or cats? or dogs?
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The pedantic route of discussion. How quaint, haven't seen that approach before. How many cats do you eat a year? Is there high demand for bat meat? I wouldn't know, etc...

Personally I thought the discussion was about the OP's assumption that being a vegan meant you were a moralistically better human being than someone who continued to choose to eat meat. That's my train of thought, you're welcome to join me. Any "meat is murder" or "justification for eating meat" discussion (which you seem to be alluding to) doesn't interest me.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The pedantic route of discussion. How quaint, haven't seen that approach before. How many cats do you eat a year? Is there high demand for bat meat? I wouldn't know, etc...

Personally I thought the discussion was about the OP's assumption that being a vegan meant you were a moralistically better human being thatn someone who continued to choose to eat meat. That's my train of thought, you're welcome to join me. Any "meat is murder" or "justification for eating meat" discussion (which you seem to be alluding to) doesn't interest me.
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oh was that the point of the thread, well we could of nipped that in the bud, the answer is no, it doesn't make you a better person, in fact from the sounds of it ,it makes you sound a bit strange, one of the vegans wanted to eat blacks, Chinese and people from Denmark. another wanted to taste, bats cats and insects, fucking strange bunch.
 
BlueTangerine said:
Bred to feed. Stood up being milked all day, dragged about, exploited, kept enclosed, artificially inseminated, milk not for their calves but for us, throats slit, chopped up la la la etc. Sounds like a riot.
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Let's take these points in order...
1. Bred to feed - not sure what that means, but everyone gets a shag and feels good about itself (see procreation, survival of the species)
2. Stood up being milked all day - out of the elements, and cows need to be milked else they burst - seems like a good deal
3. Dragged about - really... between places out of the elements and food/milking locations - seems like a good deal - especially compared to non-existant oblivion
4. Exploited - ? is this like when the cow thinks life's not fair, and they know one who lives somewhere nicer? - not a lot of substance to that one
5. Kept enclosed - out of the cold and wind and rain? they are let out unless they're making veal you know - hey someones always worse off...
6. Artificially inseminated - plenty of desperate childless couples don't mind - are you worried for the females feelings because they don't get a shag?
7. Milk not for calves - do you think they care where it goes as long as the pressure in their udders is released? no.
8. Throats slit - lets keep the moslems out of this - dont they use the bolt gun in the head anyway?
9. Chopped up la la - I think you'll find they have no brain function at this point because they're bl**ding DEAD - does it matter? no.

Bang! another fish floats to the top of the barrel full of lead...
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The pedantic route of discussion. How quaint, haven't seen that approach before. How many cats do you eat a year? Is there high demand for bat meat? I wouldn't know, etc...

Personally I thought the discussion was about the OP's assumption that being a vegan meant you were a moralistically better human being thatn someone who continued to choose to eat meat. That's my train of thought, you're welcome to join me. Any "meat is murder" or "justification for eating meat" discussion (which you seem to be alluding to) doesn't interest me.
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Let's make it clear. I was saying a man who kills and eats animals for the taste is less ethical than the man who doesn't, and appreciates sentience. You can be a vegan and also a total **** of a person. I was saying that vegans TEND to have better ethics/appreciation for life and pain.
 
peace frog said:
oh was that the point of the thread, well we could of nipped that in the bud, the answer is no, it doesn't make you a better person, in fact from the sounds of it ,it makes you sound a bit strange, one of the vegans wanted to eat blacks, Chinese and people from Denmark. another wanted to taste, bats cats and insects, fucking strange bunch.
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In Western cultures vegetarian diet is associated with an elevated risk of mental disorders.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
The pedantic route of discussion. How quaint, haven't seen that approach before. How many cats do you eat a year? Is there high demand for bat meat? I wouldn't know, etc...

Personally I thought the discussion was about the OP's assumption that being a vegan meant you were a moralistically better human being than someone who continued to choose to eat meat. That's my train of thought, you're welcome to join me. Any "meat is murder" or "justification for eating meat" discussion (which you seem to be alluding to) doesn't interest me.
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Not pedantic at all you said "The domesticated cow is one of the most successful (in terms of numbers) mammals on the planet thanks to Humans."
Well, i have named some that aren't human influenced so your little theory is on its arse.

Agreed, your second paragraph was a waste of time.
 
BlueTangerine said:
Let's make it clear. I was saying a man who kills and eats animals for the taste is less ethical than the man who doesn't, and appreciates sentience. You can be a vegan and also a total **** of a person. I was saying that vegans TEND to have better ethics/appreciation for life and pain.
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And thus have attempted to take the moral high ground...

Now if you had quoted fairly well documented medical reasons why red meat is less than a perfect food as a reason why you're vegan you might have got a better response...
 
DiscoSteve said:
And thus have attempted to take the moral high ground...

Now if you had quoted fairly well documented medical reasons why red meat is less than a perfect food as a reason why you're vegan you might have got a better response...
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Read up on it mate. As if the suffering wasn't enough of a reason, there are a lot of problems with eating meat.. problems in your digestion etc. If that's what matter to you.
 
peace frog said:
oh was that the point of the thread, well we could of nipped that in the bud, the answer is no, it doesn't make you a better person, in fact from the sounds of it ,it makes you sound a bit strange, one of the vegans wanted to eat blacks, Chinese and people from Denmark. another wanted to taste, bats cats and insects, fucking strange bunch.
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It started out with the OP weeping into a bush, cradling a wounded lamb (presumably), decrying the folly of societies continued consumption of animal flesh and how, since becoming a vegan, he feels like his soul has been lifted and that he feels nothing but shame and pity for all those immoral flesh eaters that refuse to amend their ways.

Got called out by pretty much everyone who did not agree. Yet again though, just like any immigrant, islam or politics thread its been
KenTheLandlord said:
Not pedantic at all you said "The domesticated cow is one of the most successful (in terms of numbers) mammals on the planet thanks to Humans."
Well, i have named some that aren't human influenced so your little theory is on its arse.

Agreed, your second paragraph was a waste of time.
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What theory was it that I was presumably suggesting? It's a fact that cattle as a species has grown into a biologically successful one in terms of numbers (in bold for you this time) due to the intervention of Humans breeding them for the purpose of milk, meat and leather all which have served a vital purpose in the society we enjoy today. The point of that was to point out that cattle breeding has been essential to human progress over the past millenia and for someone to ignore it because of a "mid-lunch" crisis is worthy of scorn.

Cattle still outnumber the worldwide total of cats and dogs put together. Bats, i'm not sure due to the many hundreds of species there are, though i'm positive they aren't in the number of billions.
 
BlueTangerine said:
Read up on it mate. As if the suffering wasn't enough of a reason, there are a lot of problems with eating meat.. problems in your digestion etc. If that's what matter to you.
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There's lots of problems doing lots of things especially when you overdo it!
So be a scared-of-the-world stay-at-home who won't try nothing because 'bad things may happen' if you want.

But you only get one shot at life so grab it by the horns and get on with it, you're a long time dead!

And there will be no animals anywhere ever thanking you for your concern after you've gone!
 
BlueTangerine said:
Let's make it clear. I was saying a man who kills and eats animals for the taste is less ethical than the man who doesn't, and appreciates sentience. You can be a vegan and also a total **** of a person. I was saying that vegans TEND to have better ethics/appreciation for life and pain.
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Which is precisely why comments pouring scorn on your opinion have been justly deserved. I've met vegans who actively attempt to demonise another person as being less than human solely because of their eating habits. This is not the attitude of a sane and stable personality.

If you have presented your opinion as an opinion and not as fact I doubt many would have taken umbrage at your comment, maybe the odd one or two might have, but for you to assume that a person, a community, an entire society of people are 'evil' for continuing to eat meat as a means to live a healthy and balanced diet is disdainful. I trust other vegans do not share your opinions because if they do i'll be hard pressed to entertain them.

If you want a discussion about how animals are treated before slaughter, their conditions and societies collective efforts to limit their suffering to a minimum, how society can ensure that the meat we eat has come from an animal that has been respected and treated well for its life, then i'm all for it, but I don't think that was your intention. I think you're a "newbie vegan" who's conceited decision not to continue to support the slaughter of innocent animals for humanities continued selfish desires of food consumption has given you a sense of superiority over those who do. That's the impression i'm getting.
 
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BlueTangerine said:
Read up on it mate. As if the suffering wasn't enough of a reason, there are a lot of problems with eating meat.. problems in your digestion etc. If that's what matter to you.
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Rubbish. Humans and our ancestors have been eating meat for millions of years. We are well adapted to utilise all the nutrients available in meat.
 
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