Venezuela economy

[Ban-jani]

People said that about Iraq. Half a million dead and destabilisation of the region was the price.

Tell me, do you believe the factions that bubbled under the surface in the early 00’s in Iraq, are comparable to those in Venezuela now?

This opposition to regime change no matter what is incredibly dangerous.

 

[urban genie]

So seems the apparent saviour of the people has been rumbled as just another bent fucker and crook.




Sneaked over the border and attended an event later having these pics taken with known columbian palamitary leaders and criminals
The Rastrojos are a drug-trafficking group with paramilitary origins who operate on both sides of the Colombia-Venezuela border. As well as the cocaine trade, they are engaged in illegal mining, kidnapping for ransom and extortion and it has been claimed since last years failed coul that these were paid to smash uo the humanitarian aid at the border and pin it on government supporters.

 

[FlemishDuck]

Well yeah Guiado had lost his momentum with international support when Maduro proved difficult to dislodge due to the support among the by now pretty "Bolivarian" millitary. It would probably require military force to dislodge the Venezuelan goverment but i would have thought he would have gotten it from America eventually. I have to say, the timing of this seems this seems to conspiciously coincide with Bolton (who was a fervent supporter of intervention in Venezuela) leaving the WH staff.

Strange, but there seems to be a growing rift in my perception between the strategic interrests of the US millitary establishment and the way Trump wants to run things, not sure if thats good for Trumps health.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Well yeah Guiado had lost his momentum with international support when Maduro proved difficult to dislodge due to the support among the by now pretty "Bolivarian" millitary. It would probably require military force to dislodge the Venezuelan goverment but i would have thought he would have gotten it from America eventually. I have to say, the timing of this seems this seems to conspiciously coincide with Bolton (who was a fervent supporter of intervention in Venezuela) leaving the WH staff.

Strange, but there seems to be a growing rift in my perception between the strategic interrests of the US millitary establishment and the way Trump wants to run things, not sure if thats good for Trumps health.

He's still in power because he has China's backing and money in exchange for oil. Ironically copying exactly what Western countries have done for decades.

 

[FlemishDuck]

He's still in power because he has China's backing and money in exchange for oil. Ironically copying exactly what Western countries have done for decades.

That he has international support from some angles is all too likely when essentially "opposing US influence in yet another SA country". Even before they were in power or in regards with Chavez his coup in the early 90's i presume ties with Cuba were strongly suspected. However due to distance and the strenght of the USN there is little that China can do effectivly to help.

The Chavistas however have observingly strong support in the millitary. Bribery is often cited for this, but even before Chavez got into power by democratic ellection he toghether with the core of the chavistas today had a millitary background and support among a section of the rank and file. Once Chavez was in power, he replaced much of the rest of the army with loyalists especially when some officers would rebel against him as was the case for ex. in the failed coup of 2001.

Chavez innitally didn't expect to get into power by democratic means, that's why he and his supporters actually had chosen for a millitary carreer. From their perspective: America would never allow their form of goverment exist by peacefull means, to them American influence in SA is such that their form of goverment could only exist in Venezuela if there was direct millitary and diplomatic opposition to the US in Latin America. So they hadn't expected a win in the democratic ellections that brought Chavez into power but likely were less surprised to see a coup attempt against Chavez.

The immediate problem thus is that the Bolivarians see their role explicitly as that of keeping US influence outside of it whereas the US has a traditional geostrategic interrest to keep Latin America and Venezuela also i particular in line to some degree. It's all about "sovereignity". Chavez activly tried to undermine US influence in Latin America by using oil wealth for example to support left wing candidates in other Latin American country's.

The underlying problem imho is the socio-economic devide between races in Latin America though it tends to be quite ignored in discussions over Venezuela. The Spannish left a social devide where the white minority retained power and much of the country's wealth and poverty occured mainly among the colored (often ex-slave) majority. The USA in some small way further enforced this devide by taking the pragmatic choice to support and prop up those regimes with weapons if needed providing they played ball. Basicly the whole Bolivarian movement and the associated issue's nowadays flow from the ideological movement among colored groups in America that they will never be equal to whites in America unless they achieve it by military force. More so than being an army of socialists it's an army of underrepresented colored people which makes it "motivated to resist".