Vicky Kloss

gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think we just have to accept that our owners don't want to present as recalcitrant. Their motivation for buying the club is inextricably wedded to their subsequent PR policy. Vicky Kloss is merely operating in accordance with her instructions.
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Yes, sometimes we have to remind ourselves.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I think we are doing a great job ourselves hunting the BBC's lies down and I think the club is more than happy for us to fight a proxy war, with them as our sponsor staying well in the background.
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No doubt at all about that, this last week being a perfect example.
 
bugsyblue said:
The supports should suck it up frankly if that's how our owners want to deal it with. Billion pound investment > hard on press
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The theory is sound but your asking the impossible. We are by our very nature responsive to what we perceive as a poke in the chest; we have been poked in the chest a fair bit tbh.

The dynamic goes deep and i said as much the other week. The fact is a sharp faced bloke as opposed to an attractive girl instantly changes a bit of the dynamic. As @The Pink Panther say's, they know we are via Vicky a soft touch. Replace that with said bloke who is not small and won't back down, who looks at press as incompetent junior staff more than honored guests. That sounds a bit strong i admit but the gist is there. If i need to elaborate then i mean a bloke who you really don't feel comfortable around being grilled about why you randomly attacked xyz in a piece.

If you think a group of men children who get paid to write almost 100% opinion pieces are above looking on the situation in such terms i reckon your dead wrong. It is not Vicky's fault personality wise maybe but either way she heads the department and it does feel like we take it way to easy. I said give it time 3 years ago so yeah it is still the same and i feel we should be more stern on certain aspects of media relations.

I hate to use the chap as an example but bacon face had the right idea but went to far. Reporters would have a dig at utd but you better believe they did more than test the water before going in. For example if they were going for the cl the pissy stories would die right off. With us it feels like constant open season. If they did that to utd they were fucked.

With us it feels as if we are the default punchbag when nothing else is around, slow news day? show a frowny face city player and how they have lots of money in a negative tone...guaranteed clicks. Fuck that, sorry but i see no greater good now for being so placid and inert. Not just that, when we are the last team in the cl and such, the tone never changes really; it really doesn't. Just equal consideration is all i ask, is it really so much to ask?.

What could we do? get a bloke in like Cook and arrange a meeting with all press and have him put across how they feel the current media room is to large. The sensible option is to move it to a smaller room with less chairs but ofc 'keep those of the highest reputation and hopefully be soon able to manage such a large room again' The money and food saved will go to a local homeless shelter coinciding with new efforts to help the local community (we do a lot and think of new stuff regularly). Surely no reporters would be so sly and cynical as to claim we were being devious and underhand?
 
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TCIB said:
The theory is sound but your asking the impossible. We are by our very nature responsive to what we perceive as a poke in the chest; we have been poked in the chest a fair bit tbh.

The dynamic goes deep and i said as much the other week. The fact is a sharp faced bloke as opposed to an attractive girl instantly changes a bit of the dynamic. As @The Pink Panther say's, they know we are via Vicky a soft touch. Replace that with said bloke who is not small and won't back down, who looks at press as incompetent junior staff more than honored guests. That sounds a bit strong i admit but the gist is there. If i need to elaborate then i mean a bloke who you really don't feel comfortable around being grilled about why you randomly attacked xyz in a piece.

If you think a group of men children who get paid to write almost 100% opinion pieces are above looking on the situation in such terms i reckon your dead wrong. It is not Vicky's fault personality wise maybe but either way she heads the department and it does feel like we take it way to easy. I said give it time 3 years ago so yeah it is still the same and i feel we should be more stern on certain aspects of media relations.

I hate to use the chap as an example but bacon face had the right idea but went to far. Reporters would have a dig at utd but you better believe they did more than test the water before going in. For example if they were going for the cl the pissy stories would die right off. With us it feels like constant open season. If they did that to utd they were fucked.

With us it feels as if we are the default punchbag when nothing else is around, slow news day? show a frowny face city player and how they have lots of money in a negative tone...guaranteed clicks. Fuck that, sorry but i see no greater good now for being so placid and inert. Not just that when we are the last team in the cl and such, the tone never changes really; it really doesn't. Just equal consideration is all i ask, is it really so much to ask?.

What could we do? get a bloke in like Cook and arrange a meeting with all press and have him put across how they feel the current media room is to large. The sensible option is to move it to a smaller room with less chairs but ofc 'keep those of the highest reputation and hopefully be soon able to manage such a large room again' The money and food saved will go to a local homeless shelter coinciding with new efforts to help the local community (we do a lot and think of new stuff regularly). Surely no reporters would be so sly and cynical as to claim we were being devious and underhand?
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Interesting post Guy but I'd point out a couple of things. Baconface and the rags could do what they wanted as they knew they had the whip hand. They could control refs so journalists, who were far more disposable, weren't a problem. As they have the biggest fan-base, if you couldn't cover them then you rendered yourself virtually useless to your editor. We're not in that position by a long chalk yet but even if we were I suspect we wouldn't do it as it doesn't fit the template that Abu Dhabi impose on us or the image they want to portray. Personally I'm not sure that taking a tougher line with the worst of these slugs would be that harmful but I'm not Khaldoon or Simon Pearce.

The point about the media room is an interesting one but City deliberately created a bigger room as the feeling was that the smaller one was too conducive to encouraging the sort of bear-pit we want to try to avoid. A bigger room with people more spread out was felt to generate a more chilled out approach.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Interesting post Guy but I'd point out a couple of things. Baconface and the rags could do what they wanted as they knew they had the whip hand. They could control refs so journalists, who were far more disposable, weren't a problem. As they have the biggest fan-base, if you couldn't cover them then you rendered yourself virtually useless to your editor. We're not in that position by a long chalk yet but even if we were I suspect we wouldn't do it as it doesn't fit the template that Abu Dhabi impose on us or the image they want to portray. Personally I'm not sure that taking a tougher line with the worst of these slugs would be that harmful but I'm not Khaldoon or Simon Pearce.

The point about the media room is an interesting one but City deliberately created a bigger room as the feeling was that the smaller one was too conducive to encouraging the sort of bear-pit we want to try to avoid. A bigger room with people more spread out was felt to generate a more chilled out approach.
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Firstly let me cherish this as this is stuff that is genuinely interesting to me and it is happening on bluemoon haha :-)
Secondly thanks for the reply, no i mean that as i know you know a lot about the guts so i was hoping you may see it tbh, ok my reply...

I never knew they had such power (utd) i mean i can see how it is perfectly workable though. In fact i was just on the phone to my father and we both got stuck on the drug testing bit; i know this is slightly off course but... How does footy testing work, it is the biggest sport but we don't know much about it, some lads get dragged off by club doctors after training? seems shifty. i mention it because i asked him and he said 'ask rio' haha, and he is a red so made me chuckle hehe., sorry where were we...

Yeah utd being so powerful, do they still have that grip or is it eroding with time?. These 122 council members, are they cowards say if bacon walked in and told them to lick his boots they would?. It all dilutes to these areas i feel with governance being so obfuscated. this leads to footballs mini dynamic fiefdoms like utd and the refs and such as you note. Then you see the dynamics we have in the north west, specifically Manchester. that is the larger umbrella though, still i felt it worth noting.

Were they really that powerful and if so would you mind explaining a bit. I remember a freelance lad come on here and admit he had to knock us or he basically had no job. He did not enjoy it but i understand bills have to be paid so sympathized with his position. What would it take do you think to change the current malaise in utd's favour as that is what it is. The old model of utd good v city bad is being judged i feel a bit, for example you can bet your last penny stats on MEN site hits from South America are being noted (this i can guarantee if the analysts are worth their salt). As you assume that is on the Jesus thing and what he brings them in terms of clicks (it will be rather a lot but not as many as espn city stuff clicks will get).

Sorry if my post is a bit everywhere i have had to much aspalls i think :-) finally though do you think a, my pov on how the reporters view the world is as i say or close to it and b, could the view we take feasibly/holistically every be employed. That is one of a bit more shove with a bloke in position who has better things to do than deal with greasy pipsqueak reporters i.e. have them very aware if they use us as a piss post we will fight our corner/fight fire with acid knives and sharks with lasers? :-)
 
We don't need the club to do anything it should be down to the fans to let these scumbags know what we think [emoji3]
 
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