Vienna Shooting

[Damocles]

I just had a scenario run through my head where one mod turned the TV off and they all trundled upstairs with water bottles and cocoa at the same time :)

This is all Wheelsy's fault

 

[FantasyIreland]

Part of the Bluemoon rules when you sign up to be a mod.

Shared accommodation and they all have to go bed at the same time :)

I used to sneak back down and raid the fridge.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Reminiscent of the one in London a while back.

5 dead in Vienna attack; assailant had previous conviction​

VIENNA (AP) — Five people died, including an assailant, and 17 others were wounded in a shooting in the heart of Vienna hours before a coronavirus lockdown started, Austrian authorities said Tuesday. The dead attacker was a 20-year-old Austrian-North Macedonian dual national who had a previous terror conviction.

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The attacker, named as Kujtim Fejzulai, was sentenced to 22 months in prison in April 2019 because he had tried to travel to Syria to join the Islamic State group. He was granted early release in December under juvenile law.

Story

 

[Rascal]

Good job I thought better of my original post then.

But that illustrates an interesting point which is quite valid in the overall context of this debate. Fascism, as you know, is a right-wing ideology. You, being on the left, seek to compartmentalise incidents like this as "right wing" by choosing to use the word "fascists".

Similarly in the USA, with the demonisation of organisations like BLM and Antifa by the right, and the President & his supporters calling Biden a Communist in political TV ads.

By trying to polarise these sorts of arguments or discussions to one side or the other, we merely increase hatred and divides. We should call them out for what they are, instead of feeling we (or anyone else) have to take sides.

I wasn't even relating ISIS to this incident, you took it off track by fallaciously introducing ISIS to the debate to make a snide point that was totally unrelated to the thread. I was stating a fact, their ideology is fascist by nature according to Eco's description of fascism. You should know better.

Congratulations you have closed down the debate with your snide remark.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I wasn't even relating ISIS to this incident, you took it off track by fallaciously introducing ISIS to the debate to make a snide point that was totally unrelated to the thread. I was stating a fact, their ideology is fascist by nature according to Eco's description of fascism. You should know better.

Congratulations you have closed down the debate with your snide remark.

I sound like an EDL member. I'm snide. Give over Russ.

Eco's "hero" was a man who called himself 'Franchi' but whose real name was Edgardo Sogno. He was ultra right-wing so maybe Umberto Eco is a little short-sighted on this. Most neutral commentators equate the word "fascism" with the right.

And, as usual, you're deflecting as your own short-sightedness is laid bare. One of the reasons that people carry out attackes like this is to achieve matyrdom in either a religious or political sense, They also want to encourage large-scale polarisation so that Western society reacts negatively to Islam in general and Muslims personally. In turn, that will polarise the Muslim community to turn inwards and be much more defensive. And they hope that, eventually, will lead to a civil war between the two groups.

There's clear parallels to the situation in the Labour Party where people like Rachel Riley have been forced to confront who they really are, because they know that certain groups will never let them forget it. And your short-sightedness fails to see that when you're crying about "Blairite witch-hunts" it's about trying to achieve political martyrdom and looking to cause a political civil war, forgetting that it's those who have been shown to be antisemitic who have caused the offence and their the ones you'd be standing shoulder-to-shoulder in the trenches with.

That's what the people at Charlie Hebdo failed to understand in my view. No one of sound mind in any way condones killing people over cartoons but no one of sound mind should condone deliberately and knowingly carrying out actions that will cause deep offence to others. And while that happens the cycle will continue.

 

[blueinsa]

Some of you guys should start a victim support group, the fucking whining gets tiresome.

Fucking hilarious.

You and a few others in here have made this forum your own personal support group the last 4 years with your whining.

I suppose dictating what can and can't be discussed is about the only victory most of you will experience.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Fucking hilarious.

You and a few others in here have made this forum your own personal support group the last 4 years with your whining.

I suppose dictating what can and can't be discussed is about the only victory most of you will experience.

If BM was a support group I'd have topped myself years ago

 

[@BluePhil8]

If BM was a support group I'd have topped myself years ago

Rag

 

[squirtyflower]

Fucking hilarious.

You and a few others in here have made this forum your own personal support group the last 4 years with your whining.

I suppose dictating what can and can't be discussed is about the only victory most of you will experience.

It’s de rigueur to curtail discussion, if you only allow one viewpoint you’re always right

 

[Ric]

Take it up with the mods, I have no idea but I imagine it is much mre inncocent than you suggest i.e it was gettign heavy and the mods were going to bed

The strange thing is, given the depressing frequency of these attacks, it's usually just the same posters reiterating the same views on Islam and immigration, ad nauseum. Seems an odd hill to die on. "I demand the right to repeat exactly the same thing I said last week, this week. And every week hereafter."