Votes for 16 year olds

BigJoe#1 said:
Do you not think the Labour majority is extremely fragile? I know they have the seats that they do, but the voting majorities in many of those seats is very risky and of Labour continue to piss people like, for example, pensioners, their majority will evaporate overnight, especially when you add the additional cohort of younger voters... who as I repeat will be heavily influenced by their parents who in turn seem to be willing to have their heads turned by Farage.

Another social experiment?
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Surprising I know since the analysts on the TV tell us before and after every election, but it seems many people still don't understand that it's really not as simple as this party got x% and this party got Y% and therefore this is how many seat x and y will get.

The distribution of votes really matters and you're right to point out that the majority in a lot of seats was very thin. A small swing in those seats could have very big consequences.
 
chesterbells said:
Are you basing that off your experience on the forum?
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No, experience of my children and all their friends, plus my friends children.who have ll been voting since they were 16, so are more politically aware maybe than in England.Plus just did a quick google of voting intentions by age which bears it out, from June 24
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com

Latest GB Voting Intention (5-6 June 2024)

Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest national Westminster voting intention poll, our first since Nigel Farage announced he was becoming leader of …
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com


18 - 24 Reform 7%
24- 34 Reform 10%
65+ Reform 17%
Oddly
45-54 Reform 19%
54-65 Reform 14%
 
blueparrot said:
No, experience of my children and all their friends, plus my friends children.who have ll been voting since they were 16, so are more politically aware maybe than in England.Plus just did a quick google of voting intentions by age which bears it out, from June 24
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com

Latest GB Voting Intention (5-6 June 2024)

Redfield & Wilton Strategies’ latest national Westminster voting intention poll, our first since Nigel Farage announced he was becoming leader of …
redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com


18 - 24 Reform 7%
24- 34 Reform 10%
65+ Reform 17%
Oddly
45-54 Reform 19%
54-65 Reform 14%
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I’m not going to cast doubt on that info at all. But similar to you, my experience is based on if not necessarily the views of the teenage children in my own extended family, but more on what they have said about the attitude of their peers more widely to politics - if they have any interest at all that is.
 
BlueAnorak said:
A big no from me for so many reasons:

No real experience in the world.
The brain isn't fully formed by then - indeed it isn't fully formed till the age of 25. - 18 is lots better but it but still a way to go. But when has a brain counted in voting?
You can't die fighting in a war till you're 18 either though you can join the armed forces at the age of 16. But if you can die in a war you should be able to vote.
You can't drink or buy a lottery ticket till you're 18 either.
You can't drive till your 17 as well.
And will 16 year old be able to be tried as adults At the age of 16 as a result?

No it's a bonkers idea frankly.
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People older have life experience and vote Reform. Get those moronic fucks to fuck. We have it here and if you are old enough to work, you should be allowed to vote.
 
Magicpole said:
People older have life experience and vote Reform. Get those moronic fucks to fuck. We have it here and if you are old enough to work, you should be allowed to vote.
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Nice attempt but a big fail.
Being treated as an adult is all or nothing kind of thing.
 
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I don't think competency or experience comes into it at all... if it did, we'd have to argue for taking voting rights away from the very old and people with learning difficulties.

I think it is totally arbitrary and subjective. There obviously is no 'correct' age. All I'd say is that whatever age you need to be to vote and join the military, it should be the same. If the state expects to use you in a war, it should be prepared for you to express your opinion at the ballot box.

I also have no faith that 16-17 year olds will vote a certain way, I think there's a good chance they will turn out way more right wing than people imagine.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
I don't think competency or experience comes into it at all... if it did, we'd have to argue for taking voting rights away from the very old and people with learning difficulties.

I think it is totally arbitrary and subjective. There obviously is no 'correct' age. All I'd say is that whatever age you need to be to vote and join the military, it should be the same. If the state expects to use you in a war, it should be prepared for you to express your opinion at the ballot box.

I also have no faith that 16-17 year olds will vote a certain way, I think there's a good chance they will turn out way more right wing than people imagine.
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Unless between 16 and 18 they go from more right leaning to more left left leaning the link I post just further up this page says they aren’t, more right wing.
 
MCFC1993 said:
Fine with it.

At 16, you're finishing school and about to start picking a path in life, things like Brexit they deserved a say on.

My nan's in her mid 80's and hasn't got a Scooby Doo what's going on in the world. Whilst she has life experience, there will be 16 and 17 year olds out there more informed than she is.
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Full time education ends at 18 now
 
This political forum doesn’t like anyone past 50 or Jewish.

They get blamed for everything.
 
Absolute insanity, 16 year olds are the worst people on earth, too many hormones flying around. Fuck I think 18s too young. In fact don't let any of us vote were all fucking idiots.
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
Not a good or bad idea but how many of you were clued up about politics aged 16?

I reckon most 16 year olds don't give a fuck about politics and rightly so, they've got all their adult lives to decide which twat is telling the least amount of lies to them.

To be 16 again and get someone to get you some beers from the offy, meet your girlfriend, see your mates for a laugh, or discuss the level of government borrowing and the economy?

Decisions, decisions.
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I did politics at GCSE and followed it up at A-Level. I'd say there's a proportion of 16 year olds who are clued up that's probably representative of those who are 18.

Let them start to have a say I reckon
 
blueinsa said:
This political forum doesn’t like anyone past 50 or Jewish.

They get blamed for everything.
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Anti-Semitism is bad. But so is Islamophobia. The 50 year olds that clutch pearls over one propagate the other. (Despite who our football club is owned by, bizarrely.)

Probs been said many times before but being against the current regime in Israel is not Anti-Semitic. And is completely off topic anyway.

And honestly, all you lot do is blame the most right wing labour party, perhaps ever, for every ill of this world and the usual solution was Farage, as it was Brexit before it.

There will be little change in this country until Gen X are siginficantly reduced in the polls for better or worse. That's just plain fact. Sorry if that makes you feel victimised, pal, but as they say, if the boot fits.
 
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