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Mancini still has a lot of work to do if he wants to gain us the success we're hyped up to get, but so far I'm satisfied with him.
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We don´t deserve Roberto
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Elitesentry
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i think that mancini has done a good job but tbh he hasnt even started to unlock the poetential of the team, i think hughes was heading in the right direction, he built a team with the best attacking options in the league and played in an attacking style that saw city score bags of goals, on the down side we conceded alot aswell. with mancini we play less attractive football, score less but on the upside concede less, i have to say i hate the whole idea of playing with 3 defensive midfielders it really grinds my gears.
what also annoys me is how mancini is reluctant to use swp injuries aside, when swp comes on the field making his runs from the wing to inside the box and when he cuts the ball back to the penalty spot is when we look most aggresive on goal.
Thes best thing i have seen mancini do though is the purchase of patrick viera, quality player and still fit for the prem
what also annoys me is how mancini is reluctant to use swp injuries aside, when swp comes on the field making his runs from the wing to inside the box and when he cuts the ball back to the penalty spot is when we look most aggresive on goal.
Thes best thing i have seen mancini do though is the purchase of patrick viera, quality player and still fit for the prem
A few points that I would like to raise or rebut here.
Speaking of the standard of Italian football, to discount Mancini's achievements is unfair. This is the league that the current Chelsea manager couldn't win in years and years, mainly due to Mancini and now Mourinho keeping him out of it. You can literally line up the great managers who Mancini has beaten to that league.
The often used points deduction shows a poster up for their lack of knowledge or basic research on the subject. Saying that Mancini only won these titles due to the deductions of other clubs is false. If you give these clubs their points back, Mancini still won it by about 10 points. I cannot think of a good analogy for how his Inter team completely dominated that league over those two years. I think maybe the early 00's United could be a good example, or Barca now. These guys were head and shoulders above everybody else, there was simply no competition for them in the league. Due to this, Moratti (who is good mates with Khaldoon by the way and I imagine recommended Mancini), got bored with dominating the league and wanted to win the CL. There were various issues that kept Inter from the CL; Mancini always seemed to favour the league for a start, he had some bad injuries, and yes, he got his tactics wrong at times. People forget how young Mancini is, in management terms. It's a learning experience for him, just as it was for Hughes. The only difference between the two in my mind, is that Mancini is further along than Hughes as he knows how to win, if that makes sense. I still think Hughes will become a top manager, and good luck to him, I have absolutely no disdain for him like some City fans.
A quick look around the Inter forums will show you how highly the guy is thought of by them, to the point where some would be happy to swap him for Mourinho. Hell, even a look around Barca forums, or Liverpool forums when he was first announced as manager shows you how highly respected he is in the game. Unless we somehow manage to snag Ferguson, there is no 'great jump' up to a next level in manager. Many put Mourinho and Mancini in the same bracket, I disagree but see their point. Mourinho is a small step above Mancini, not a giant leap. It gets me totally frustrated when I see the complete lack of respect for somebody who was one of the world's great footballers in his day, and has consistently proved himself to be a complete winner as a manager. He is young, he has a history of winning, and can control/attract big players (see: Ibrahimovic). I don't know what more we want. There is no manager in the world who will come in and win over 70% of games, I'm sorry but such a person does not exist. If a manager has a 60%+ win record, he's doing unbelievably well.
Our away form is a concern. However, our away form has being a concern for 4 years, I see no possible way that a manager can change this inside of two months. Yet, everybody can see that we are improving in some areas. Our defence and organisation at the back has come on tenfold. We have become nearly impenetrable at defensive set pieces. We are now blooding several youngsters, such as Boyata, Weiss(who wa sent on loan to a Prem club instead of sat on a bench), Ibrahim and Cunningham have both played their first competitive games. Kompany looks like a different player under Mancini and is firmly staking his claim to be called a future great. Another young lad has been brought in in Johnson, and he looks exciting. Tevez's and Adebayor's goalscoring form since Mancini has arrived is unbelievable when you actually count up a goals/games ratio.
Of course, there are some drawbacks. The football is often lackadaisical, is a very slow tempo, and too defensive. We don't seem to want to push on and grab more goals when one-nil up. I remember this criticism under Hughes too, so maybe it is more of an attitude problem than a manager problem. Either way, it is Mancini's job to sort this out, but let's give him some time to do so.
Too often, the arguments against Mancini boil down to cliches and frustration. I would prefer to watch a 1-0 win than a 4-4 draw, but that's just me, I get the guys who are saying that this isn't what they signed up for. Perhaps it would help if we mentioned that Mancini did exactly this in his first season at Inter to stabilise the ship, before he went out and dominated the league whilst being called one of the most entertaining sides in Europe.
Yes, he hasn't beaten a team above twelve (apart from United), but you can only beat the teams that are put in front of you.
The question remains over the summer and whether or not he will be our manager next season. Personally, I want to keep him and let him have time to build the squad in his own image. He is still working with a squad in Hughes' image, and it does show. I didn't want Hughes to go, and I don't want Mancini to go. With a few notable exceptions, all of the top clubs in England to have won the league have always had a consistency of manager. Maybe we should try this way. We've tried the whole 'sack a manager as soon as it looks shaky' for the past 30 years, and it has gotten us nowhere except relegations.
We gave Pearce time. We gave Hughes time. We gave Alan Ball time. Let's give this lad a bit of time to show us what he can do. If at the end of next season, he still isn't producing, then start thinking about what should be done, but the calls of Mancini Out at the moment make us look like a bunch of spoilt children who are demanding success right now. I never remember this trait in City fans in the past, and I'm not sure why it has started now.
Speaking of the standard of Italian football, to discount Mancini's achievements is unfair. This is the league that the current Chelsea manager couldn't win in years and years, mainly due to Mancini and now Mourinho keeping him out of it. You can literally line up the great managers who Mancini has beaten to that league.
The often used points deduction shows a poster up for their lack of knowledge or basic research on the subject. Saying that Mancini only won these titles due to the deductions of other clubs is false. If you give these clubs their points back, Mancini still won it by about 10 points. I cannot think of a good analogy for how his Inter team completely dominated that league over those two years. I think maybe the early 00's United could be a good example, or Barca now. These guys were head and shoulders above everybody else, there was simply no competition for them in the league. Due to this, Moratti (who is good mates with Khaldoon by the way and I imagine recommended Mancini), got bored with dominating the league and wanted to win the CL. There were various issues that kept Inter from the CL; Mancini always seemed to favour the league for a start, he had some bad injuries, and yes, he got his tactics wrong at times. People forget how young Mancini is, in management terms. It's a learning experience for him, just as it was for Hughes. The only difference between the two in my mind, is that Mancini is further along than Hughes as he knows how to win, if that makes sense. I still think Hughes will become a top manager, and good luck to him, I have absolutely no disdain for him like some City fans.
A quick look around the Inter forums will show you how highly the guy is thought of by them, to the point where some would be happy to swap him for Mourinho. Hell, even a look around Barca forums, or Liverpool forums when he was first announced as manager shows you how highly respected he is in the game. Unless we somehow manage to snag Ferguson, there is no 'great jump' up to a next level in manager. Many put Mourinho and Mancini in the same bracket, I disagree but see their point. Mourinho is a small step above Mancini, not a giant leap. It gets me totally frustrated when I see the complete lack of respect for somebody who was one of the world's great footballers in his day, and has consistently proved himself to be a complete winner as a manager. He is young, he has a history of winning, and can control/attract big players (see: Ibrahimovic). I don't know what more we want. There is no manager in the world who will come in and win over 70% of games, I'm sorry but such a person does not exist. If a manager has a 60%+ win record, he's doing unbelievably well.
Our away form is a concern. However, our away form has being a concern for 4 years, I see no possible way that a manager can change this inside of two months. Yet, everybody can see that we are improving in some areas. Our defence and organisation at the back has come on tenfold. We have become nearly impenetrable at defensive set pieces. We are now blooding several youngsters, such as Boyata, Weiss(who wa sent on loan to a Prem club instead of sat on a bench), Ibrahim and Cunningham have both played their first competitive games. Kompany looks like a different player under Mancini and is firmly staking his claim to be called a future great. Another young lad has been brought in in Johnson, and he looks exciting. Tevez's and Adebayor's goalscoring form since Mancini has arrived is unbelievable when you actually count up a goals/games ratio.
Of course, there are some drawbacks. The football is often lackadaisical, is a very slow tempo, and too defensive. We don't seem to want to push on and grab more goals when one-nil up. I remember this criticism under Hughes too, so maybe it is more of an attitude problem than a manager problem. Either way, it is Mancini's job to sort this out, but let's give him some time to do so.
Too often, the arguments against Mancini boil down to cliches and frustration. I would prefer to watch a 1-0 win than a 4-4 draw, but that's just me, I get the guys who are saying that this isn't what they signed up for. Perhaps it would help if we mentioned that Mancini did exactly this in his first season at Inter to stabilise the ship, before he went out and dominated the league whilst being called one of the most entertaining sides in Europe.
Yes, he hasn't beaten a team above twelve (apart from United), but you can only beat the teams that are put in front of you.
The question remains over the summer and whether or not he will be our manager next season. Personally, I want to keep him and let him have time to build the squad in his own image. He is still working with a squad in Hughes' image, and it does show. I didn't want Hughes to go, and I don't want Mancini to go. With a few notable exceptions, all of the top clubs in England to have won the league have always had a consistency of manager. Maybe we should try this way. We've tried the whole 'sack a manager as soon as it looks shaky' for the past 30 years, and it has gotten us nowhere except relegations.
We gave Pearce time. We gave Hughes time. We gave Alan Ball time. Let's give this lad a bit of time to show us what he can do. If at the end of next season, he still isn't producing, then start thinking about what should be done, but the calls of Mancini Out at the moment make us look like a bunch of spoilt children who are demanding success right now. I never remember this trait in City fans in the past, and I'm not sure why it has started now.
mcs
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Well all I can say is he will want to pull his finger out. That was utterly woeful today- Liverpool we were and truly there for the taking, but we no longer have any clue what we are doing going forward. Granted Tevez was not there, but we are far too slow to build up the play, and are really struggling to create any clear chances. Frankly, I've seen little so far to say that Mancini is a vast improvement over Hughes (We have improved no doubt defensively, but that seems to have come at all attacking ability that we once had.)