Weapons for the Free Syria Army

[Dalian Blue]

Well that was a great plan ,the weapons are now in the hands of Iss or what ever there name is this week .the weapons we gave the Iraq army is also in there hands ,we never learned the lessons of Afganistan what a fu*k up the west have made of this situation

The foreign policy of this and previous UK governments has been an absolute shambles.....we isolate the Syrian and Iranian leadership (who are also enemies of ISIS) We create the vacuum in Syria and Iraq into which the jihadists flood. We provide the weapons which they are using either by selling them or having provided them to the Iraq forces.

Because of poor border controls we are unable to stop the flow of brits (said to be between 1500 and 2000) to join the Holy War or stop their return

they now control an area larger than Great Britain and the US and the UK can't even fly over Syrian airspace to attack the ISIS bases in the north of the 'Caliphate'.

The only friends of Syria who could get permission for us to do that are the Russians and , guess what, we've fallen out with them as well.

Still we'll be able to sort it out when our two new aircraft carriers go operational in 2020.........

Why would US / UK or anyone else for that matter want to fly over Syria to get to Iraq when Turkey is in NATO?

 

[totallywired]

Selling arms is big buisness .the west isnt usually bothered who we flog them to untill they are turned against us

Yep. You reap what you sow.

 

[cyberblue]

Looks like we are helping the Syrian regime with inteligence gathering now .wonder how long till we start bombing IS .oh what a copmplicated web we weave

 

[waterloo blue]

Looks like we are helping the Syrian regime with inteligence gathering now .wonder how long till we start bombing IS .oh what a copmplicated web we weave

I mentioned that we'll be arming Assad on the 'beheading' thread and was slagged off ;in place of NATO troops on the ground, this will be the next course of action,as someone said the wheels in motion.

 

[malg]

Good idea. I for one can't envisage anything going wrong with this plan.

 

[the blue panther]

Looks like we are helping the Syrian regime with inteligence gathering now .wonder how long till we start bombing IS .oh what a copmplicated web we weave

I mentioned that we'll be arming Assad on the 'beheading' thread and was slagged off ;in place of NATO troops on the ground, this will be the next course of action,as someone said the wheels in motion.

Hopefully the political elite will realise soon that the reality is that they have to keep Assad in power, at least until such time as they can get another tyrant in Saddam's place in Iraq. Then the lid will be back on the box, and they can start slagging Assad off again, as well as moving onto getting a replacement for Gaddafi in Libya.
'Arab spring' my arse!

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Well that was a great plan ,the weapons are now in the hands of Iss or what ever there name is this week .the weapons we gave the Iraq army is also in there hands ,we never learned the lessons of Afganistan what a fu*k up the west have made of this situation

The foreign policy of this and previous UK governments has been an absolute shambles.....we isolate the Syrian and Iranian leadership (who are also enemies of ISIS) We create the vacuum in Syria and Iraq into which the jihadists flood. We provide the weapons which they are using either by selling them or having provided them to the Iraq forces.

Because of poor border controls we are unable to stop the flow of brits (said to be between 1500 and 2000) to join the Holy War or stop their return

they now control an area larger than Great Britain and the US and the UK can't even fly over Syrian airspace to attack the ISIS bases in the north of the 'Caliphate'.

The only friends of Syria who could get permission for us to do that are the Russians and , guess what, we've fallen out with them as well.

Still we'll be able to sort it out when our two new aircraft carriers go operational in 2020.........

Why would US / UK or anyone else for that matter want to fly over Syria to get to Iraq when Turkey is in NATO?

ISIS stronghold is in Southern Syria ...without permission from the Syrians we would not be able to bomb their defences. The Syrians have an air defines system which consists of

The Syrian Air Defense Force is an independent command within the Syrian Armed Forces. It has been merged into and then separated from both the Syrian Arab Army and the Syrian Arab Air Force. The Syrian Air Defense Force controls twenty-five air defense brigades, each with six SAM batteries. It is equipped with 650 static SA-2, SA-3 and SA-5 launchers, 200 mobile SA-6 and SA-11 launchers and over 4,000 anti-aircraft guns ranging from 23mm to 100mm in caliber. There are also two independent SA-8 and SA-10 SAM Regiments, each with four batteries of 48 mobile SAMs.

The Syrian early warning system comprises Long Track; P-12 Spoon Rest; P-14 Tall King; H-15 Flat Face; P-30 Big Mesh; P-35 Bar Lock; P-80; PRV-13; PRV-16 Thin Skin mobile and static radar sites throughout Syria.

Wonder who sold them this f*cking lot. Obviously we would need them to stand down before we flew into their air space

 

[Ducado]

Or could it be that Asad did not fight ISIS, rather he actually encourage them because it split the opposition, politics in the Middle East are rarely simple

 

[Skashion]

Or could it be that Asad did not fight ISIS, rather he actually encourage them because it split the opposition, politics in the Middle East are rarely simple

Is there any basis at all for you saying this?

 

[aguero93:20]

The OP's point about the Afghans is being missed.

When those nasty Commy Russians invaded Afghanistan we rushed to arm the Taliban to help them fight the Reds, even Rambo went over. Oh how jolly it all was......until our ally became our enemy.

The wheel keeps turning.

and the thing is, morally, arming the Afghans to allow them to defend themselves and their land is completely justifiable. The huge problem with arming people, even for the right reasons, is that sometimes the bad guys fight the right fight. The west has seldom hit both marks. In fact, I think it's hit the bad guys in the bad fight, Israel for example, far more often than the good guys in the good fight.

A good point as usual very well made. 'We' decide who we don't like and arm the other side. Who are 'we' to make that decision. (We being the political leaders of this country and the U.S) I do not see France, Spain Italy rushing to arm insurgents/countries/anybody but I guess their arms trade isn't as lucrative as ours.

I have a theory about the Northern Ireland situation which is not for this thread, but did 'we' allow it to go on for so long because it was a great way of testing new weapons, equipment, etc and training Doctors in battlefield wounds. as our weapons got better so did our bank balance as we sold millions of pounds worth to other countries having tested it in battle conditions ?

France are just as fucking bad, they're more than likely responsible for the majority of weapons in the Boko Haram conflict.