Weapons for the Free Syria Army

[SWP's back]

Well that was a great plan ,the weapons are now in the hands of Iss or what ever there name is this week .the weapons we gave the Iraq army is also in there hands ,we never learned the lessons of Afganistan what a fu*k up the west have made of this situation

The foreign policy of this and previous UK governments has been an absolute shambles.....we isolate the Syrian and Iranian leadership (who are also enemies of ISIS) We create the vacuum in Syria and Iraq into which the jihadists flood. We provide the weapons which they are using either by selling them or having provided them to the Iraq forces.

Because of poor border controls we are unable to stop the flow of brits (said to be between 1500 and 2000) to join the Holy War or stop their return

they now control an area larger than Great Britain and the US and the UK can't even fly over Syrian airspace to attack the ISIS bases in the north of the 'Caliphate'.

The only friends of Syria who could get permission for us to do that are the Russians and , guess what, we've fallen out with them as well.

Still we'll be able to sort it out when our two new aircraft carriers go operational in 2020.........

Are you being serious here when stating the US couldn't bomb ISIS bases in Syria as they wouldn't be allowed over their airspace?

Seriously? Or am I just missing a joke.

 

[SWP's back]

The OP's point about the Afghans is being missed.

When those nasty Commy Russians invaded Afghanistan we rushed to arm the Taliban to help them fight the Reds, even Rambo went over. Oh how jolly it all was......until our ally became our enemy.

The wheel keeps turning.

and the thing is, morally, arming the Afghans to allow them to defend themselves and their land is completely justifiable. The huge problem with arming people, even for the right reasons, is that sometimes the bad guys fight the right fight. The west has seldom hit both marks. In fact, I think it's hit the bad guys in the bad fight, Israel for example, far more often than the good guys in the good fight.

A good point as usual very well made. 'We' decide who we don't like and arm the other side. Who are 'we' to make that decision. (We being the political leaders of this country and the U.S) I do not see France, Spain Italy rushing to arm insurgents/countries/anybody but I guess their arms trade isn't as lucrative as ours.

I have a theory about the Northern Ireland situation which is not for this thread, but did 'we' allow it to go on for so long because it was a great way of testing new weapons, equipment, etc and training Doctors in battlefield wounds. as our weapons got better so did our bank balance as we sold millions of pounds worth to other countries having tested it in battle conditions ?

Oh ffs.

 

[SWP's back]

Well that was a great plan ,the weapons are now in the hands of Iss or what ever there name is this week .the weapons we gave the Iraq army is also in there hands ,we never learned the lessons of Afganistan what a fu*k up the west have made of this situation

The foreign policy of this and previous UK governments has been an absolute shambles.....we isolate the Syrian and Iranian leadership (who are also enemies of ISIS) We create the vacuum in Syria and Iraq into which the jihadists flood. We provide the weapons which they are using either by selling them or having provided them to the Iraq forces.

Because of poor border controls we are unable to stop the flow of brits (said to be between 1500 and 2000) to join the Holy War or stop their return

they now control an area larger than Great Britain and the US and the UK can't even fly over Syrian airspace to attack the ISIS bases in the north of the 'Caliphate'.

The only friends of Syria who could get permission for us to do that are the Russians and , guess what, we've fallen out with them as well.

Still we'll be able to sort it out when our two new aircraft carriers go operational in 2020.........

Why would US / UK or anyone else for that matter want to fly over Syria to get to Iraq when Turkey is in NATO?

They don't need Turkey. They have a huge fuck off airbase in Qatar.

 

[Blue Mist]

and the thing is, morally, arming the Afghans to allow them to defend themselves and their land is completely justifiable. The huge problem with arming people, even for the right reasons, is that sometimes the bad guys fight the right fight. The west has seldom hit both marks. In fact, I think it's hit the bad guys in the bad fight, Israel for example, far more often than the good guys in the good fight.

A good point as usual very well made. 'We' decide who we don't like and arm the other side. Who are 'we' to make that decision. (We being the political leaders of this country and the U.S) I do not see France, Spain Italy rushing to arm insurgents/countries/anybody but I guess their arms trade isn't as lucrative as ours.

I have a theory about the Northern Ireland situation which is not for this thread, but did 'we' allow it to go on for so long because it was a great way of testing new weapons, equipment, etc and training Doctors in battlefield wounds. as our weapons got better so did our bank balance as we sold millions of pounds worth to other countries having tested it in battle conditions ?

Oh ffs.

Go on, say something.

 

[SWP's back]

So when does the mass demonstrations & boycotting of Qatar for funding this islamic state mob start.
Hang on a minute,al jazeera just reported somebody's broke a toenail in Gaza.Everyone outside Tesco & Sansbury's boycotting Israeli goods.

I don't think Qatar are funding them anymore. Not since they announced a Caliphate.

 

[SWP's back]

A good point as usual very well made. 'We' decide who we don't like and arm the other side. Who are 'we' to make that decision. (We being the political leaders of this country and the U.S) I do not see France, Spain Italy rushing to arm insurgents/countries/anybody but I guess their arms trade isn't as lucrative as ours.

I have a theory about the Northern Ireland situation which is not for this thread, but did 'we' allow it to go on for so long because it was a great way of testing new weapons, equipment, etc and training Doctors in battlefield wounds. as our weapons got better so did our bank balance as we sold millions of pounds worth to other countries having tested it in battle conditions ?

Oh ffs.

Go on, say something.

Your theory is wank.

 

[Blue Mist]

Oh ffs.

Go on, say something.

Your theory is wank.

Why ? When the threat came to the mainland it was pretty quickly dealt with and they were not bothered how much it cost ? (The ring of steel around the City of London)
Kneecapping used to be a crippling punishment that would effect someone for the rest of their life. It stopped being a threat when it became a routine operation that the surgeons after years of practise could do with their eyes closed..
Surveillance and radio skills (white sound) developed and improved dramatically as did our weapons and tactics.
The SAS made a name for themselves world wide.
The situation could have been sorted out with a similar Peace deal many years before so why wasn't it.

But this thread is about how we are interfering and fucking up another country.

 

[Dalian Blue]

The foreign policy of this and previous UK governments has been an absolute shambles.....we isolate the Syrian and Iranian leadership (who are also enemies of ISIS) We create the vacuum in Syria and Iraq into which the jihadists flood. We provide the weapons which they are using either by selling them or having provided them to the Iraq forces.

Because of poor border controls we are unable to stop the flow of brits (said to be between 1500 and 2000) to join the Holy War or stop their return

they now control an area larger than Great Britain and the US and the UK can't even fly over Syrian airspace to attack the ISIS bases in the north of the 'Caliphate'.

The only friends of Syria who could get permission for us to do that are the Russians and , guess what, we've fallen out with them as well.

Still we'll be able to sort it out when our two new aircraft carriers go operational in 2020.........

Why would US / UK or anyone else for that matter want to fly over Syria to get to Iraq when Turkey is in NATO?

They don't need Turkey. They have a huge fuck off airbase in Qatar.

You haven't really thought through the logistics have you? Turkey (NATO member) has borders with Syria and Iraq, Qatar is a peninsula on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, the most direct way to get to Iraq or Syria from Qatar would involve crossing Saudi airspace, the Saudis may not be too happy about this option, which is why the 'fuck off' military base was relocated from around 40km south of Riyadh to it's current location in Qatar. It takes hours to fly East - West across Saudi, it would take minutes from bases in Turkey.

 

[Pam]

Well that was a great plan ,the weapons are now in the hands of Iss or what ever there name is this week .the weapons we gave the Iraq army is also in there hands ,we never learned the lessons of Afganistan what a fu*k up the west have made of this situation

We are being governed by idiots.

 

[SWP's back]

Why would US / UK or anyone else for that matter want to fly over Syria to get to Iraq when Turkey is in NATO?

They don't need Turkey. They have a huge fuck off airbase in Qatar.

You haven't really thought through the logistics have you? Turkey (NATO member) has borders with Syria and Iraq, Qatar is a peninsula on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula, the most direct way to get to Iraq or Syria from Qatar would involve crossing Saudi airspace, the Saudis may not be too happy about this option, which is why the 'fuck off' military base was relocated from around 40km south of Riyadh to it's current location in Qatar. It takes hours to fly East - West across Saudi, it would take minutes from bases in Turkey.

Try looking at a map and then get back to me as you've just been talking through your arse. The direct path is over the Persian Gulf and anyone that has ever flown into Doha knows full well that (until three ago), the flight plan goes over Basra, Baghdad and Mosul and it takes less than 45 mins to leave Iraqi airspace and enter Qatari.

No idea why you say "it takes hours ro fly East - West across KSA" when they would be flying North - South (for less than 20 mins in a fighter plane) between Qatar and Iraq and going no where near Saudi airspace.

As for Al Udeid Air Base itself, read this:

Al Udeid Air Base (Arabic:قاعدة العديد الجوية) is a military base west of Doha, Qatar, also known as Abu Nakhlah Airport (Arabic:مطار أبو نخلة). It houses foreign coalition personnel and assets. It is host to a forward headquarters of United States Central Command, headquarters of United States Air Forces Central, No. 83 Expeditionary Air Group RAF, and the 379th Air Expeditionary Wing of the USAF. In 1999, the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad,[3] told U.S. officials that he would like to see as many as 10,000 U.S. servicemen permanently stationed at Al Udeid. [4]

The Al Udeid Air Base now serves as a logistics, command, and basing hub for U.S. operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Nearby Camp As Sayliyah houses significant U.S. military equipment prepositioning and command facilities for the CENTCOM area of operations. Both Qatar and the United States have invested in the construction and expansion of these facilities since the mid-1990s, and they form the main hub of the CENTCOM air and ground logistical network in the area of responsibility. As a result of ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, U.S. and partner nation facilities in Qatar and elsewhere have received higher use in recent years.