Character and effort are a natural part of a football team surely?
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Pep's not interested in developing players at this point.
Isn’t our player of the season a 20 year old academy kid left back turned box to box midfielder that Pep picked ahead of seasoned internationals at both positions?
chesterbells
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Were we much better in the goalscoring department?He’s not wrong though
Oh dear! Desperation, talk about straw clutching excuses! No foul on keeper, never remotely close to a penalty, he could of added an hour and it wouldn't of made a difference! Just accept we were shite, deserved nothing more than we got!I think what people are not seeing is that we're still having to deal with a massive disparity of decision making by the officials. The difference this season is we haven't got the wherewithal to deal with it as effectively as we've had in previous seasons. It's a transition season. We've had too many players injured and/or not at peak fitness all season.
Points of note in this game:
Looked to be a forearm in the back of Donnaruma for their goal which was never looked at. Given the PiGMOL protocol for ignoring any and all shenanigans at corners this season, I'm not in the least bis surprised.
Fernandes was booked for his 8th foul, and at least 7 of those were worse than what Bernie was booked for.
The Marmoush handball by the letter of the law was a yellow card, but we've seen those not carded already this season, and no doubt we'll see similar not carded before the season is out.
The penalty shout was barely looked at, yet we've seen lesser 'challenges' either given as a PK directly by the referee or forensically examined by VAR for the slightest contact and then given. I'm in no doubt we'll see lesser challenges awarded as such before the season is out.
Time added on after the injury was around 30 seconds less than it should have been.
That's off the top of my head, but I'm sure there was more.
We are refereed differently, and it's all part of Scudamore's strategic plan.
Divorce is always painful but that’s what the club and Pep need now - he has become too comfortable and will never be sacked so he must do what is right for both parties - our only goal tonight was a fluke - the Madrid game on Wednesday think we were 2 nil down and the possession stats were 50% City and 50% Madrid but virtually all our possession was in our own half or around the half way line - how can any team hope to achieve a result by playing that way ? I was watching Semenyo tonight and almost every pass he received he immediately looked behind him to see who was available - he never did that at Bournemouth - as for Haaland - no fannying about with the ball from KDB direct pass into space for him to run onto
- I get why he looks frustrated at times but for 500 grand a week you simply can’t have a player that contributes so little - our defence has never been strong since Mancini/Kompany
but it didn’t need to be because we penned opponents in their own half - now we lose possession and get hit on the counter attack with loads of space in behind us - so much wrong this season and I don’t accept it’s a work in progress - not so long ago we won the treble and CL - don’t expect that every year obviously but the drop off has been alarming and unacceptable
- I get why he looks frustrated at times but for 500 grand a week you simply can’t have a player that contributes so little - our defence has never been strong since Mancini/Kompany
but it didn’t need to be because we penned opponents in their own half - now we lose possession and get hit on the counter attack with loads of space in behind us - so much wrong this season and I don’t accept it’s a work in progress - not so long ago we won the treble and CL - don’t expect that every year obviously but the drop off has been alarming and unacceptable
Have you seen Spurs lately?Character and effort are a natural part of a football team surely?
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Haaland has fluffed his lines enough times the past weeks, he’s had ample opportunities to finish and he hasn’t. If you need another player to play the ball in the exact correct position for you to score then any average striker would be bagging 20+ a season.Lescott just said a good point that shows that we have a fundamental issue, along with the recruitment issue that hasnt worked...
'None of the players (except cherki) seem to know how to pass to haaland'
Gordyola
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That’s what stat-man Fletch said in commentary It’s meaning less though unless it’s backed up with what the average isCan anyone confirm the stat blurted out by tnt that City have not had a goal scored by a sub since the 1st game of the season?
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I can't fathom what we are trying to do from them. Literally taking them no differently to how a Sunday league team would. When you see Arsenal at set pieces, the delivery is nearly always excellent, and there is a clear plan about where specific players are positioned. Ours just seem to be hit and hope. It's rank bad.You know what the most bizarre thing is about "our corners"...
I do be more afraid of the opposition hitting us on the break from our corners...
Shocking stuff.
jimharri
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I'd be wondering who your dealer is. That's some serious shit you're using!What if I tell you to
Night we beat Madrid I. Extra time Tuesday co r on city
It's gonna be hard to get excited about a League Cup win, should we get it ... it's a trophy, but one that's generally frowned up nowadays.
NOT by Manchester City fans, every bit of silverware we win clears the dark days and nights of nothing winning nothing for 30-odd years
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Look, this is not the kind of place to be philosophical, but I'm going to be, briefly, and perhaps I'll get pelters, but I truly don't care.
At the start of the season, with the team being rebuilt, if you'd said to me “Second at the end of the season”, I would have taken it in a heartbeat. If you'd added to it being in both domestic cups in March, with the possibility of winning one, I'd have said you were dreaming. Yes, we may not end up second — although I'd be truly astonished — we may lose next weekend — I won't be astonished, but I'll be surprised, in fact — and we may go no further than the next round of the F.A. Cup.
You notice I'm leaving the CL out of the equation entirely. Barring the kind of performance that we've never turned in at any stage this season — we're out.
This is not happy clapping, just being soberly realistic. I think we've got the makings of a good team, maybe a very good one, next season. Whoever's in charge. It's young, and there's a lot of skill there.
Tonight, we played against a team who played exactly the way 80% of teams have played against us for the past three years, at least. Let me say this very clearly, and let's have it right once and for all — we're not the boring ones. It's all the other fuckers, who play low block, even at their own stadium, eleven men in the box, four or five of them on the line, for most of the match. Some of the time, it works, and everyone's frustrated. Arsenal would probably have won that game tonight, because with fifteen corners, they would have bullied at least one of them into the net. That is something they know how to do much better than us.
By the way, if anyone imagines Arsenal will play any other way to all those others when they come to the Etihad — I'll have some of the strong stuff you're having.
And to the Liverpool team in the Klopp years, I will give them this: they were one of the very rare teams that did not play that way against us, but went gung-ho, toe to toe, played hundred-miles-an-hour football. Sometimes it worked for them, sometimes for us. (We know who won more titles, no need to linger on that). It was bloody good football, for both sets of fans, and for the neutral, and we haven't honestly seen anything vaguely like it this season from anyone whatsoever.
Poor week for us? Unquestionably. Poor season? Could have been better. Could have been much, much worse.
At the start of the season, with the team being rebuilt, if you'd said to me “Second at the end of the season”, I would have taken it in a heartbeat. If you'd added to it being in both domestic cups in March, with the possibility of winning one, I'd have said you were dreaming. Yes, we may not end up second — although I'd be truly astonished — we may lose next weekend — I won't be astonished, but I'll be surprised, in fact — and we may go no further than the next round of the F.A. Cup.
You notice I'm leaving the CL out of the equation entirely. Barring the kind of performance that we've never turned in at any stage this season — we're out.
This is not happy clapping, just being soberly realistic. I think we've got the makings of a good team, maybe a very good one, next season. Whoever's in charge. It's young, and there's a lot of skill there.
Tonight, we played against a team who played exactly the way 80% of teams have played against us for the past three years, at least. Let me say this very clearly, and let's have it right once and for all — we're not the boring ones. It's all the other fuckers, who play low block, even at their own stadium, eleven men in the box, four or five of them on the line, for most of the match. Some of the time, it works, and everyone's frustrated. Arsenal would probably have won that game tonight, because with fifteen corners, they would have bullied at least one of them into the net. That is something they know how to do much better than us.
By the way, if anyone imagines Arsenal will play any other way to all those others when they come to the Etihad — I'll have some of the strong stuff you're having.
And to the Liverpool team in the Klopp years, I will give them this: they were one of the very rare teams that did not play that way against us, but went gung-ho, toe to toe, played hundred-miles-an-hour football. Sometimes it worked for them, sometimes for us. (We know who won more titles, no need to linger on that). It was bloody good football, for both sets of fans, and for the neutral, and we haven't honestly seen anything vaguely like it this season from anyone whatsoever.
Poor week for us? Unquestionably. Poor season? Could have been better. Could have been much, much worse.
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Some players are biding their time until the World Cup ... Not wanting to risk injury
eyalluvitt
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Criminal the way he’s been treated, you could maybe understand it if we were winning every week playing good footballThis is the most pereplexing thing for me, when Rodri was out Nico was getting better and better and was looking Rodri-esque (as much as any other mortal can!) and then poof! gone!
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And cups the run is the easiest anyone will have it’s frightening reallyNobody now .... at least not in the league anyroad!
daveiw01
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It's death by a thousand cuts, I think I'd rather it was over too, especially at Spurs expense.I’d rather we lost. A draw is no good, the league is now gone but at least a loss would have made Spurs relegation more likely
Manchester City midfielder Rodri, speaking to TNT Sports: "Maybe [the title race is over] yes, maybe no. We're not going to drop hands, we're going to keep fighting.
"We know it's going to be difficult because we have this experience of what you need to win at the end. I think the distance is too far but we're going to fight until the end.
"Now is a moment of no regrets. Today we showed a little bit of what the season was, ups and downs, then maybe the last pass or the last strike can make the difference. Football is about goals and we couldn't find the players to have numbers in terms of goals.
"That's the most important thing in football because we created the chances, we controlled the games but this is what makes the difference."
On Pep Guardiola's mood: "No regrets. When you are here 10 years or seven like me and what we've done, you cannot ask more of the lads. We are able to do what we're able, we've been fighting.
"There are a lot of young lads in there that are a bit down right now. They don't have that experience in these moments, you need to support them. It is not time to criticise. You smile and go to the next one.
"Football is like this, you learn from these moments. Losing is part of the process but we're still alive in other competitions and we have things to fight for this year.
"I'm a player who has the experience to understand the circumstances and know that we are in a moment where we are building a team to win. It's not easy, it takes time and it is not the time to point the finger at anyone."
On other competitions: "The mistake we can make is to think we are the unbelievable team that we used to be. We are in a moment that we are in a process to come back. At City you always have to in but football is not like this, we know how difficult that is.
"We are alive in other competitions and on Tuesday we have a massive game [against Real Madrid], that I really believe we can turn around. The players who play have to score."
"We know it's going to be difficult because we have this experience of what you need to win at the end. I think the distance is too far but we're going to fight until the end.
"Now is a moment of no regrets. Today we showed a little bit of what the season was, ups and downs, then maybe the last pass or the last strike can make the difference. Football is about goals and we couldn't find the players to have numbers in terms of goals.
"That's the most important thing in football because we created the chances, we controlled the games but this is what makes the difference."
On Pep Guardiola's mood: "No regrets. When you are here 10 years or seven like me and what we've done, you cannot ask more of the lads. We are able to do what we're able, we've been fighting.
"There are a lot of young lads in there that are a bit down right now. They don't have that experience in these moments, you need to support them. It is not time to criticise. You smile and go to the next one.
"Football is like this, you learn from these moments. Losing is part of the process but we're still alive in other competitions and we have things to fight for this year.
"I'm a player who has the experience to understand the circumstances and know that we are in a moment where we are building a team to win. It's not easy, it takes time and it is not the time to point the finger at anyone."
On other competitions: "The mistake we can make is to think we are the unbelievable team that we used to be. We are in a moment that we are in a process to come back. At City you always have to in but football is not like this, we know how difficult that is.
"We are alive in other competitions and on Tuesday we have a massive game [against Real Madrid], that I really believe we can turn around. The players who play have to score."
Were we much better in the goalscoring department?
Wouldn’t bother mate
Definitely something behind this , good shoutPep's not interested in developing players at this point.
His only objective is to win something before he leaves the club and that's going very badly for him.
Isn’t our player of the season a 20 year old left back turned box to box midfielder that Pep picked ahead of seasoned internationals at both positions?
Dont apply facts mate
Utterly confuses some of them.