We've got enough....

The fact we tried for a mid in Jan and again this summer suggests we don’t have enough. If we do the worthy thing and promote Foden and Gomez to have loads of game time it could work but I suspect we’d come up short.
 
wolfie1988 said:
In response to the thread title....Have we fuck.

And you're deluded if you think so. Remember we're aiming to improve year on year. We are missing pieces in order to do that
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Apart from another DM what exactly are we missing?
 
LB - Mendy, Delph and Laporte CF - Kun, Jesus and Sane could be utilised possibly with his pace. Only position we are a bit thin on is DM imo.
 
Striker needed for me as back up - doesn't have to be a mega star either just a reliable squad player type or alternatively promote from within.
 
Was thinking a replacement for Yaya was required, but how much did he actually play last season that can't be equally replaced by using Foden more in that area, with Mahrez coming in that allows us to use Gundogan in a deeper role if needed. With Mendy fit, that free's Delph for more games in midfield, and I wouldn't be selling Zinchenko in a hurry.

I'd would like another striker, Sergio and Jesus have both had injury problems over the last couple of seasons, and Sterling isn't as ruthless as we need in front of goal when neither are injured.
 
PrezIke said:
So, just hope we don’t ever play them in key games or any other teams like this?

This logic from some of our fans and outspoken posters here is an odd one.

Pep wanted Jorginho for this purpose, specifically and those who wanted him made observations that also supported bringing him in.

Yes, we have Delph and gundo - hence part
Of why we decided not to pay - but Jorginho was seen as an ideal fit for a reason.

The idea that his addition would have been irrelevant because allegedly the entire team capitulated once (Isn’t it nearly every time?) I find mind boggling as it is the defenders and no 6 who need to be arguably the best/most composed on the ball.

I love fern but he is not as great against the high press.

The idea that 1 or 2 or maybe more in cup matches, is not worth caring much about smells a bit of - no disrespect- arrogance. Liverpool have strengthened immensely this summer. By far more than anyone else, whilst still need a keeper but they will be better. We are by no means going to surely run away from the pack again. If it’s close those games may matter, and hey have a psychological effect on the team.

I hope it all works out and we are going to get better as well I think, but that is a chink in our armour that gives Klopp an advantage we cannot sit back and ignore because it’s only “a bogey team.” Does any top club accept that?
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I agree with all that but I’m saying to combat Liverpool’s system we have to make sacrifices elsewhere and in the long run it’s not worth it. Pep even says he knows that Liverpool has the perfect system to beat us but that we won’t change. It’s not arrogance, far from it. Liverpool don’t up their game for City it’s just the way they play. Liverpool are easily our main rivals. I wanted Fabinho and VVD for us.
 
Haven't read all the thread, so maybe others have made this same post, but you can look at it like this:

  • Mangala replaced by Laporte
  • Zinchenko replaced by Mendy
  • Toure replaced by Gundogan
  • Gundogan replaced by Bernardo
  • Bernardo replaced by Mahrez

At least 4 out of 5 are upgrades in these specific positions. (Bernardo in CM is a bit of an unknown atm)

Should be remembered that Mangala spent 6 months at the club last season, 2 months longer than Laporte - who was really a signing earmarked for this summer but brought forward

Mendy will obviously be as close to a 'new signing' as a current player could be

Pep will trust Gundogan to play at DM alot more than he did Toure so Dinho should get more rest.


Whether this is all enough in terms of CL is another issue - tho, Liverpool aside, I was confident we'd have beaten every team in the competition last season - and whilst we have a lot of young players who should improve slightly you never know when an older player can just drop off a cliff
 
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karen7 said:
Do you really think we aren't doing everything we can to beat them? we don't change the way we play for 2 games a season,i think that is the point
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No no, definitely not. I would never suggest that.

It just came across to me that some posters sounded rather dismissive of the prospect of losing to this "bogey team," where those expressing concern are being labeled as having some kind of insecurity about them, the same club that is arguably our biggest challenger next season, who are also set up to cause us significant problems.

I was just claiming that maybe we should be careful about writing them off as not something to worry too much about and something we can "fix" outside of some tactical changes, or sprinkling magic fairy dust on us before traveling to Anfield to shake off the jitters - that City as a club can do to thwart this problem whilst still maintaining the tactical system that we have found so successful against most other teams and suits the rest of our players.
 
Cobwebcat said:
I agree with all that but I’m saying to combat Liverpool’s system we have to make sacrifices elsewhere and in the long run it’s not worth it. Pep even says he knows that Liverpool has the perfect system to beat us but that we won’t change. It’s not arrogance, far from it. Liverpool don’t up their game for City it’s just the way they play. Liverpool are easily our main rivals. I wanted Fabinho and VVD for us.
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This is the same Liverpool we beat 8-4 on aggregate in the league last year? And would quite likely beaten in the CL with halfway decent ref'ing?
 
Withnail said:
Apart from another DM what exactly are we missing?
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I think we are two light in that deeper role. We need horses for courses and options that our current squad don't offer. I'd be happy enough with one for now but that one is essential.

Also think that we are light at centre forward. Aguero hasn't been durable for an entire season in six and Jesús has had a couple of nasty injuries in his 18 months here. We can talk about playing false 9s but there is no substitute for having an out and out prolific goalscorer.
 
hard to attract a CF of the required quality knowing that they would spend a large part of the season on the bench. surely its a role to develop a young player.
 
wolfie1988 said:
I think we are two light in that deeper role. We need horses for courses and options that our current squad don't offer. I'd be happy enough with one for now but that one is essential.

Also think that we are light at centre forward. Aguero hasn't been durable for an entire season in six and Jesús has had a couple of nasty injuries in his 18 months here. We can talk about playing false 9s but there is no substitute for having an out and out prolific goalscorer.
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So you are suggesting we get a prolific striker and stash him deep on the bench on the off chance that both Aguero and Jesus are injured?
 
My only concern is the state of our XI for our opening game of the season.

Arden are tough with a new manager bounce, and we have no Fernandinho, KDB, Kompany, and maybe Jesus. It's not ideal.
 
City_Sean said:
My only concern is the state of our XI for our opening game of the season.

Arden are tough with a new manager bounce, and we have no Fernandinho, KDB, Kompany, and maybe Jesus. It's not ideal.
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I think everyone will be back to be honest mate
 
Citizen_leo said:
We have NOT got enough, we struggled last season vs high press that hampered our progress in CL. I really doubt Mahrez gives us enough depth to compete in all four competitions. We cant now say we have enough after spending months after Fred and then Jorginho. Dont let the narrative "we are still strong" affect your thinking. Every competitor has made themselves stronger. Pool are back in for Fekir, possibly their fourth of the season. Their mid at the moment looks really solid.
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Really!!! We lost to Liverpool due to two MAJOR refereeing decisions. We won the league at a canter and we have added the PFA player of the year from 2 seasons ago have Pep at the helm and suddenly we have not got enough

There are alot of people on here getting their knickers in a twist about Liverpool. Just because they have bought alot of players doesnt make them a good team not every player that looks good abroad will be great in the PL and they may not gel so lets concentrate on our team and bring it on!!!
 
Citizen_leo said:
We have NOT got enough, we struggled last season vs high press that hampered our progress in CL. I really doubt Mahrez gives us enough depth to compete in all four competitions. We cant now say we have enough after spending months after Fred and then Jorginho. Dont let the narrative "we are still strong" affect your thinking. Every competitor has made themselves stronger. Pool are back in for Fekir, possibly their fourth of the season. Their mid at the moment looks really solid.
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Are you a JCL, or just a spoilt brat?
 
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