Whaley Bridge shooting

mexico1970 said:
3 lads coming through the front door of your house at night isn't limited information is it? The mental gymnastics performed by these contrary delusionists is phenomenal.
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Bless. Someone’s spitting their dummy out because someone has a different opinion to him.

It’s funny watching you disappear down your rabbit hole to Gammonopia.
 
hilts said:
Forget it I'm just asking what you would sentence him to based on the info we have, im not judging you or trying to trip you up im just generally interested in what prople think. it's bloody hard work on here sometimes.
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I refer you back to when I answered your question.

Alan Harper's Tash said:
The farmer? Listen to the evidence and make a decision based on that, which is all I’ve done since reading the anecdotal account.

If he’s told the police he’s going to shoot them if the return, then that shows premeditation.

If they’ve burgled him 17 times, then that has to be factored into the verdict and diminished responsibility will need to be considered.

The fact they’ve visited 16 previous times and he hasn’t been killed suggests that the burglars’ MO doesn’t include violence.

Based on this evidence and this alone, it seems to be manslaughter on grounds of diminished responsibility or murder.



For our mutual Mexican acquaintance, this doesn’t mean that you can‘t defend your property, it just means it has to be a proportionate response to what is happening, just like the law states.
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At the end of Rambo 5 / Last Blood, John knew there were a load of Mexican gangsters coming for him, so he set out sufficient defences as reasonable force as was aware no one else was going to help him.

Do you reckon that what reasonable force? He did make sure he killed them humanely though e.g. lost both legs from the knees he would finish them off.

What about Kevin in Home Alone - was he over the top with the Wet Bandits?

It is a difficult one, but I think John Rambo was justified but Kevin seemed to be enjoying it the sadist.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Who’s buy your house knowing that? You have to declare it, maybe he can’t afford to and shouldn’t have to, fuck em they won’t do it again
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True, but I’d have gone after 2 or 3 in all probability.

I‘d also be looking at beefing up security too.

Just so it’s abundantly clear, I don’t have empathy to the dead burglar, I’m merely suggesting that this doesn’t sound like a proportional reaction, if the anecdote is true.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The farmer? Listen to the evidence and make a decision based on that, which is all I’ve done since reading the anecdotal account.

If he’s told the police he’s going to shoot them if the return, then that shows premeditation.

If they’ve burgled him 17 times, then that has to be factored into the verdict and diminished responsibility will need to be considered.

The fact they’ve visited 16 previous times and he hasn’t been killed suggests that the burglars’ MO doesn’t include violence.

Based on this evidence and this alone, it seems to be manslaughter on grounds of diminished responsibility or murder.



For our mutual Mexican acquaintance, this doesn’t mean that you can‘t defend your property, it just means it has to be a proportionate response to what is happening, just like the law states.
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It doesnt. It doesnt fit the criteria for what constitutes diminished responsibility
 
I have been burgled once. I wasn't at home and neither were any of my family fortunately.
The low life was never caught. He (I am assuming it was a male) ransacked my house and took money, jewellery and items with great sentimental value.
My wife in particular was distraught for months.
It sounds like the perpetrators in this case were drug dealing local low lives who thought they were above the law.
I have no sympathy for any of them.
I may of had a different view if i hadn't experienced being burgled first hand, who knows?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The farmer? Listen to the evidence and make a decision based on that, which is all I’ve done since reading the anecdotal account.

If he’s told the police he’s going to shoot them if the return, then that shows premeditation.

If they’ve burgled him 17 times, then that has to be factored into the verdict and diminished responsibility will need to be considered.

The fact they’ve visited 16 previous times and he hasn’t been killed suggests that the burglars’ MO doesn’t include violence.

Based on this evidence and this alone, it seems to be manslaughter on grounds of diminished responsibility or murder.



For our mutual Mexican acquaintance, this doesn’t mean that you can‘t defend your property, it just means it has to be a proportionate response to what is happening, just like the law states.
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Surely if he has told police he is going to shoot them his gun license should have been suspended immediately.
 
ganganvince said:
Surely if he has told police he is going to shoot them his gun license should have been suspended immediately.
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I think people say stuff like this all the time in jest but don't actually mean it. The fact he actually had guns though gives such a statement more weight and the police shouldn't have just shrugged it off. That's if it actually happened of course.
 
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