Whaley Bridge shooting

[Blue Maverick]

As in if I had been burgled 16 times? I’d have moved.

Who’s buy your house knowing that? You have to declare it, maybe he can’t afford to and shouldn’t have to, fuck em they won’t do it again

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Who’s buy your house knowing that? You have to declare it, maybe he can’t afford to and shouldn’t have to, fuck em they won’t do it again

True, but I’d have gone after 2 or 3 in all probability.

I‘d also be looking at beefing up security too.

Just so it’s abundantly clear, I don’t have empathy to the dead burglar, I’m merely suggesting that this doesn’t sound like a proportional reaction, if the anecdote is true.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Executable offence to some.

No it isn’t





;-)

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

The farmer? Listen to the evidence and make a decision based on that, which is all I’ve done since reading the anecdotal account.

If he’s told the police he’s going to shoot them if the return, then that shows premeditation.

If they’ve burgled him 17 times, then that has to be factored into the verdict and diminished responsibility will need to be considered.

The fact they’ve visited 16 previous times and he hasn’t been killed suggests that the burglars’ MO doesn’t include violence.

Based on this evidence and this alone, it seems to be manslaughter on grounds of diminished responsibility or murder.



For our mutual Mexican acquaintance, this doesn’t mean that you can‘t defend your property, it just means it has to be a proportionate response to what is happening, just like the law states.

It doesnt. It doesnt fit the criteria for what constitutes diminished responsibility

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It doesnt. It doesnt fit the criteria for what constitutes diminished responsibility

Fair enough. If the mitigating circumstances don‘t fit the criteria, then it would be murder.

 

[Eric Wirral]

I have been burgled once. I wasn't at home and neither were any of my family fortunately.
The low life was never caught. He (I am assuming it was a male) ransacked my house and took money, jewellery and items with great sentimental value.
My wife in particular was distraught for months.
It sounds like the perpetrators in this case were drug dealing local low lives who thought they were above the law.
I have no sympathy for any of them.
I may of had a different view if i hadn't experienced being burgled first hand, who knows?

 

[ganganvince]

The farmer? Listen to the evidence and make a decision based on that, which is all I’ve done since reading the anecdotal account.

If he’s told the police he’s going to shoot them if the return, then that shows premeditation.

If they’ve burgled him 17 times, then that has to be factored into the verdict and diminished responsibility will need to be considered.

The fact they’ve visited 16 previous times and he hasn’t been killed suggests that the burglars’ MO doesn’t include violence.

Based on this evidence and this alone, it seems to be manslaughter on grounds of diminished responsibility or murder.



For our mutual Mexican acquaintance, this doesn’t mean that you can‘t defend your property, it just means it has to be a proportionate response to what is happening, just like the law states.

Surely if he has told police he is going to shoot them his gun license should have been suspended immediately.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Surely if he has told police he is going to shoot them his gun license should have been suspended immediately.

If the story is true, then the police seemingly have failed in their job in a number of ways.

 

[Blue Maverick]

If the story is true, then the police seemingly have failed in their job in a number of ways.

Police fail to do anything, now there’s a shock.

 

[paulchapo]

Surely if he has told police he is going to shoot them his gun license should have been suspended immediately.

I think people say stuff like this all the time in jest but don't actually mean it. The fact he actually had guns though gives such a statement more weight and the police shouldn't have just shrugged it off. That's if it actually happened of course.