What do you think is wrong?

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It seems like our "core" players or difference makers never play together.. One or two are always out. This is just one of the problems too! You can name plenty more like tactics, leadership, maybe even energy.
 
As a fan of Pellegrini I am starting ask does he really have the tactical awareness to win games.

Yes he does, he's a professional football manager in the toughest league in the world and in the top hundredth of a percent in talent.

There's absolutely no such thing as a high level manager with no tactical nous. This is like a Doctor who couldn't find a pulse - the job description belies the ability.

Yes we have great players and when we are allowed to play our way we are fantastic to watch, however NO teams let us play, we have to earn the right and adapt to each game. This is where we lacking we just set up the same way expect to play nice football which is clearly the wrong policy now.

Is Pel so naive as to not worry about the opposition is he so stubborn to believe his way will always be the best? Things need to change he has to realise other sides have good players and with good coaching and direction can achieve a result against us.

Wake up coaching staff and get us playing the opposition not just turning up to play our way.

There's no top team on the entire planet who do this and rightly so.
 
Injuries
A manager who doesn't inspire anyone
A manager who has no bollocks
A manager who can't manage rotation
A DOF who hasn't bought well in years

And yet with all of these problems we are still doing ok but with Hart, Kompany, Silva, De Bruyne, Yaya, Fernandinho, Sterling and Aguero we should be doing so much better.
 
We are regressing on the field with this squad and clearly the first 5 games didn't paint the real picture of where we are at.

We are not getting value for our investment in new players by any stretch and this falls back on the DOF.

I believed he had two more windows to get things right so January could be crunch time.

We should have replaced MP over the summer.

Easy to say not always easy to do but maybe a fall from top four this season like Chelsea will be better for us longer term.

I think we are doing all the right things off the field so that is a big positive.

Will be interesting if our shocking run of injuries we have under MP will improve when our new manager comes in next season or even sooner.
 
We are not getting value for our investment in new players by any stretch and this falls back on the DOF.

I believed he had two more windows to get things right so January could be crunch time.

If you think Txiki is under absolutely any pressure then you need your head examining. He'll out last this manager, the manager after and the manager after that.
 
If you think Txiki is under absolutely any pressure then you need your head examining. He'll out last this manager, the manager after and the manager after that.

That's a massive problem then as he is as much to blame as the manager.
 
If you think Txiki is under absolutely any pressure then you need your head examining. He'll out last this manager, the manager after and the manager after that.

It goes up the line.

Falling below expectations is not the sole carriage of one man.

When you in charge of recruitment it includes the management of the group as well.

Nobody under the ownership has a license for life especially if they continue to come up short.

If your happy with Txiki so far and think the owners are when they pay good money to see Bony play like a brick wall without a foundation to name but one of a myriad of shortcomings embedded in this squad now with the mental strength of a cup cake on heat you may be the one who needs to visit someone.

That was about as bad as it gets but alas despite the OS saying as least things cannot get any worse I say watch this space and Txiki has to cop some of the fall out from that.

The owners are no fools and know when someone is not on the same page or is just incompetent at what he is paid big money to do.

They will give them time but time stops for no one.
 
Aguero wouldn't have made much difference today. There was no service or play in the final third.

I think Aguero would have made a difference, just through his movement alone! Not saying we would have won, but Bony offered nothing for the likes of Silva or Debruyne. He couldn't trap cement yesterday either! Aguero would have at least created space somewhere for SIlva to have tried something! Silva and debruyne can only create something if someone finds space or an angle or even manages to isolate themselves one on one with a defender! Bony doesn't offer any of those things!
I was screaming for Bony to be hooked after the half hour, the only problem was I was screaming for about 7 others to be hooked too!
 
Injuries
Lack of leaders in the side when the main men are out
A manager who won't trust younger players and therefore overplays certain players. (even at 4-0 up at Sunderland we only brought two of the subs on at 75 mins onwards.) Roberts cost £11m and has hardly been near the first team.
Poor scouting and transfer policy. Only De Bruyne and Ottamendi looking likely to make an impact and even they are inconsistent.
A manager who has no defensive coaching abilities.
Players still playing who are past their sell by date.

We are still in good positions, largely due to a good start and the inconsistency of the competitors but if this carries on, we won't be for much longer. We are currently on track for 74 points and in the last ten games it is 53 points.

It needs to improve now but with Arsenal away and Leicester away coming up, there could easily be more of the same.
 
Roberts didn't cost 11 mill you are reading too many papers that have a strange way of reporting our transfer fees, including potential ad ons as a total fee but don't this with other clubs.
 
I can't believe that recruitment is the problem. We've had the odd cock up, but then so does every club in the world. Sterling was expensive, but he's also a long-term investment and a 20 year old kid who shouldn't be expected to be world class. De Bruyne should be expected to be world class for the money we paid, and so far, I'd say he's living up to the billing. Otamendi has been a great addition and individually, he's done really well. I think the business this summer can't be criticized, and I think even with the odd crap transfer window, we've had the best squad in the league since the season we first won it, hence why we've been the only team in the league consistently challenging for the title throughout that time. The only question would be whether they've bought the sort of players to play the style of play they insist on. Raheem and Kevin are both good players, but they are tailor made for a counter-attacking, fast paced style of football.

It has to come down to tactics for me, and so it would be obvious to point to the manager. But it's also worth mentioning that the manager was brought in because the higher ups want him to play a particular style of football, so you have to wonder how much freedom the manager has to change things. They specifically want to play a high defensive line, dominating possession and winning the ball back very quickly, high up the pitch. We do the first two, but we don't seem to do the third one, which is a big problem, because if you don't do that, you give the opponents a free run at your exposed defence. There are clearly certain players, like Toure, who don't particularly fit into that style of play, and players like Demichelis and Kolarov that aren't going to thrive 30 yards from their own goal (ironically, I think Delph's energy would suit this type of game, yet he was left on the bench against Stoke). I'm not sure I agree with this attitude of "we're the best team, we'll play how we want" with little consideration for the opposition, the conditions or the personnel you happen to have available. We should be capable of playing a variety of ways, depending on who's available, who the opponents are, and what's going on in the game at the time, but we seem to always try to play the same way.

Pellegrini changed from always playing two strikers to switching to one. I suspect a lot of that is down to the way the DoF wants the squad to play. I hope long term it works out, but you do wonder how much of our current problems are down to Pellegrini, and how much are down to him being dictated to.
 
Laughable that the manager is copping all the flack for that performance, people need to look at the underlying causes more closely.

We have no coherent plan regarding our transfer policy except to throw obscene amounts of money around on fees for average players most of the time. Some may complain about a 'City tax' but do we really need to be forking out amounts nearing 30 million and 50 million for an immobile striker and Aaron Lennon's long lost twin? We also pay ridiculous wages to these players which makes it rather hard to move them on when the time comes.

Now, is this recruitment policy solely down to the manager or should fingers be pointed elsewhere? Our director of football seems to get off scot free in these discussions with some vehemently defending our transfer policy after the evidence points in the other direction.

You can reel off name after name that we've bought since the summer after we won the league under Mancini in which we've over paid for average dross and this is where the problem lies. Could you imagine having to sell Bony - which we will try to do this summer - we'll have to pay his contract up and let him go for around 10 million which means we probably won't get a penny back for him. Same for Fernando, Mangala and I'd put Sterling in that bracket too.

You can talk about tactics and motivation all day with justification but the simple fact is we have bought badly ever since Mancini asked for De Rossi, Van Perise and Hazard and ended up with Rodwell, Garcia and Scott Sinclair.

It’s really turning me off the club at present, just these fucking transfer circuses every summer in which we’re fleeced and exposed.

Your ire should be directed elsewhere.

I think as one poster stated compare our forwards now to under Mancini no comparison. The executive team should have given Mancini the money to build the squad. I think the squad is weaker now.
 
The main issues are: fitness (or lack of it), injuries to key players, the lack of commitment and poor attitude of some players, baffling player selections and formations from the manager and retaining players who are past their sell by date.
 
The main issues are: fitness (or lack of it), injuries to key players, the lack of commitment and poor attitude of some players, baffling player selections and formations from the manager and retaining players who are past their sell by date.

Recruitment , wrong manager - training , medical staff , player overhaul in a nutshell.

Could be we have inadequate staff in the positions that have impact on these " minor " issues that need addressing.
 
Laughable that the manager is copping all the flack for that performance, people need to look at the underlying causes more closely.

We have no coherent plan regarding our transfer policy except to throw obscene amounts of money around on fees for average players most of the time. Some may complain about a 'City tax' but do we really need to be forking out amounts nearing 30 million and 50 million for an immobile striker and Aaron Lennon's long lost twin? We also pay ridiculous wages to these players which makes it rather hard to move them on when the time comes.

Now, is this recruitment policy solely down to the manager or should fingers be pointed elsewhere? Our director of football seems to get off scot free in these discussions with some vehemently defending our transfer policy after the evidence points in the other direction.

You can reel off name after name that we've bought since the summer after we won the league under Mancini in which we've over paid for average dross and this is where the problem lies. Could you imagine having to sell Bony - which we will try to do this summer - we'll have to pay his contract up and let him go for around 10 million which means we probably won't get a penny back for him. Same for Fernando, Mangala and I'd put Sterling in that bracket too.
I agree mostly. But the manager does not play the right formation in a fair few games as well. But our recruitment policy is a huge point too.

Other tha. Fernandinho, de Bruyne and Otamendi I think we've signed poorly for three years.
 
Besides the Pellers management issue there is also the elephant in the room. That is Kompany, Silva and Aguero. Whist no one can argue with their quality it is hard having your key players out injured so often.
 
I think that its understandable that we are dropping points, given the injury situation. Its the manner of the defeats that is a concern. In our two title winning seasons we didn't lose a PL game by more than a one goal margin. We were never outplayed the way we have been recently.
 
I can't believe that recruitment is the problem. We've had the odd cock up, but then so does every club in the world. Sterling was expensive, but he's also a long-term investment and a 20 year old kid who shouldn't be expected to be world class. De Bruyne should be expected to be world class for the money we paid, and so far, I'd say he's living up to the billing. Otamendi has been a great addition and individually, he's done really well. I think the business this summer can't be criticized, and I think even with the odd crap transfer window, we've had the best squad in the league since the season we first won it, hence why we've been the only team in the league consistently challenging for the title throughout that time. The only question would be whether they've bought the sort of players to play the style of play they insist on. Raheem and Kevin are both good players, but they are tailor made for a counter-attacking, fast paced style of football.

It has to come down to tactics for me, and so it would be obvious to point to the manager. But it's also worth mentioning that the manager was brought in because the higher ups want him to play a particular style of football, so you have to wonder how much freedom the manager has to change things. They specifically want to play a high defensive line, dominating possession and winning the ball back very quickly, high up the pitch. We do the first two, but we don't seem to do the third one, which is a big problem, because if you don't do that, you give the opponents a free run at your exposed defence. There are clearly certain players, like Toure, who don't particularly fit into that style of play, and players like Demichelis and Kolarov that aren't going to thrive 30 yards from their own goal (ironically, I think Delph's energy would suit this type of game, yet he was left on the bench against Stoke). I'm not sure I agree with this attitude of "we're the best team, we'll play how we want" with little consideration for the opposition, the conditions or the personnel you happen to have available. We should be capable of playing a variety of ways, depending on who's available, who the opponents are, and what's going on in the game at the time, but we seem to always try to play the same way.

Pellegrini changed from always playing two strikers to switching to one. I suspect a lot of that is down to the way the DoF wants the squad to play. I hope long term it works out, but you do wonder how much of our current problems are down to Pellegrini, and how much are down to him being dictated to.

No matter the spin put on it either the manager has issues that are not being addressed or the recruitment of square pegs in round holes by your own admission isn't going to make it happen either.

Its a bit of both more than likely.

Work ethic and mental strength/leadership are lacking in our playing group as well and its quite frightening how early you know we are in deep doo doo in some games which is perhaps a combination of the mindset of the players or some of them on a given day and the managers ability to set up the side to overcome it.

If you don't adapt you are asking for trouble and more and more sides see us as a side you can boss easily.
 
When we won the league under Mancini we went through a bad patch in the 2nd half of the season where a big lead evaporated and we fell behind Utd.

When w won it under Pellegrini we couldn't win away for about 2 mnths.

We have half a team out. Our best players missing. It's been like that for 2 months and we are in 4 competitions. I am hoping that when we the disappointment is out of the way, City fans will reflect on where we are and the real problems that the manager faces.

I don't think he should be playing Demichelis, but then again, he did do a good job for us last season so you can understand why the manager plays him when Kompany and Mangala are out.

I think Pellegrini has to make some big decisions now:

1) Accept that Demichelis time is up

2) Drop Bony. The player is playing well below his level. We can't play him through this bad spell.

Fans need to get behind the team now. We have to create a defiant atmosphere. Are we capable of doing that, or are we just entitled customers who think our players are robots who should win every game?
 

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