What has the UK become?

[blueinsa]

Correct. And rightly, so.

What’s fair numbers wise?

How many do you want us to take on a yearly basis and how does that number compete to what we are currently taking every year through immigration?

 

[BTH]

Again, they don’t have to do anything other than decide for themselves that France and whatever else country they have spent god knows how long going though isn’t quite accommodating or generous enough so it’s now time to risk life and limb doing something illegal.

The UK, just like any other country has every right to make law that decides what is and what isn’t acceptable and entry to the UK via a dingy ran by criminal smuggling gangs isn’t lawful.

In fact, I don’t know of one single country where it would be acceptable but happy for someone to point them out if they exist?

The elephant in the room is that people can come to the UK and simply disappear: into the black market, the grey market or modern slavery, cash in hand, no questions asked.

Of course this happens elsewhere too but in the rest of Europe you are required to have an ID card, so it is somewhat easier here.

Labour floated this idea over a decade ago but guess what? The same right-wing 'libertarians' who are jumping up and down now about stopping the boats and fantasising about flights to Rwanda are the exact same people who resisted ID cards!

 

[Vic]

There’s not a lot of sailing going on.. they bob around with a tiny outboard until the friendly folks from the RNLI arrive in their big orange taxis…

Thanks for reminding me they need another donation.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Thanks for reminding me they need another donation.

Crack on chap..

 

[BobKowalski]

You big up the asylum system so yes you champion it. That's what championing something means. You brought drowning into it not me.

Are you voting Labour if they keep the Rwanda policy? Yes or No will do.

Big up the asylum system? What are you? Eight years old or something?

Aiding people fleeing persecution is a worthy goal. It beats supporting those doing the persecuting. We all have to pick a side, I guess. I’m comfy with mine.

Yes.

 

[BobKowalski]

Crack on chap..

You don’t support saving lives at sea? You sound nice.

 

[blueinsa]

Big up the asylum system? What are you? Eight years old or something?

Aiding people fleeing persecution is a worthy goal. It beats supporting those doing the persecuting. We all have to pick a side, I guess. I’m comfy with mine.

Yes.

Suggesting any position not in line with your own on this as somehow supporting those doing the persecution is the talk of an eight year old tbh Bob.

 

[mexico1970]

Big up the asylum system? What are you? Eight years old or something?

Aiding people fleeing persecution is a worthy goal. It beats supporting those doing the persecuting. We all have to pick a side, I guess. I’m comfy with mine.

Yes.

Aiding people fleeing France, those French have a lot to answer for.

 

[BobKowalski]

I was talking about the French… they could do much more to me prevent the boats being launched but why would they??

Remind me again as to your extensive expertise on French policy and policing methods.

Is it non-existent or a bit less than that?

 

[inbetween]

Germany is the destination of choice and it suits their labour needs. I don‘t see why being landlocked makes a difference?

They are making the journey anyway. Eliminating one leg of peril is simply the humane thing to do, as opposed to watching bodies wash up on our beaches. It’s not hard to treat people with dignity. The fact that we don’t (not that we are alone in this) says more about us then it does about them.

They are choosing to take a risk and they are putting trust in criminals to do it. Disrupting the criminals through intelligence and enforcement is one way we can really help. What is happening though is no different to occasions where people have tried to stow themselves into aircraft landing gear on the hope that they survive the journey (the odds are extremely slim!).

Just because people are taking these risks doesn't mean that we have some duty to remove that risk. I'd completely understand if this was Dunkirk and they faced imminent death as has been the case for Ukrainians but that is obviously not true in this case.

France is not a warzone, it's a nice place to live, I'd be half-tempted at the moment to do a swap! If their choice however has to be the UK then unfortunately that choice comes with risk just as much as choosing to travel the planet to live in Antarctica comes with risk.

The rest of Europe is not doing anything either, they're happy to remain ignorant and pick up people on boats when they arrive and not before.