What is a good salary?

[halfmist]

DLA is now PIP. And if you qualify for it, you still get it even if you are the MD of a FTSE 100 company and work 70 hours a week. It is intended to meet the extra costs of being disabled, which are substantial.

As to the rest, the elephant in the room is that a major chunk of the 'welfare' bill is state pensions. What is paid to the unemployed is a relatively small sliver of the total, and if it was abolished completely tomorrow it would probably not make a massive difference to tax levels.

The real issue is to deal with the unemployable. For example, getting crack heads off their habit. Teaching people who can barely read and write the basic skills to do at least a basic job. While this is desirable and I am all for it, it would not save money in the short term but add to costs. It would be a good, long term investment though. But we don't do that stuff here. See also, rehabilitating prisoners.

Well whatever it’s called, a rise from 580000 in the mid 1990’s to over 2.2 million in 21/22 suggests to me something is not quite right. We haven’t suddenly got 4 times the number of disabled that we had 25 years ago.

 

[Kompany Car]

Interesting. Is that what is paid, or what the tax rate is?
My information was the average tax rate paid by those earning over £500k.

This is what the LSE say...

Using anonymised data from personal tax returns, we show that in 2015-16 the average rate of tax paid by people who received one million pounds in taxable income and gains was just 35 per cent: the same as someone earning £100,000. But one in four of these paid 45 per cent – close to the top rate – whilst another quarter paid less than 30 per cent overall. One in ten paid just 11 per cent—the same as someone earning £15,000. The rich, it seems, are not all in it together.

The article goes on to say...

...the government offers tax reliefs claimed to incentivise activities like entrepreneurship, without actually checking whether they achieve these aims.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Well whatever it’s called, a rise from 580000 in the mid 1990’s to over 2.2 million in 21/22 suggests to me something is not quite right. We haven’t suddenly got 4 times the number of disabled that we had 25 years ago.

Have you seen how many fat cunts there are nowadays

 

[Tuearts right boot]

The time has come to stop the ridiculous benefits bill this country has.
We as a society are obliged to look after Children,The Elderly and the Disabled physically and mentally.
If you want benefits you should be made to work for them picking up rubbish,Graffiti cleaning etc no one who is able to get out of bed should be getting anything for free.I have a mate who has 9 kids him and his wife have never claimed a penny apart from the child benefits.
Another mate thinks we are all mugs for working.There is something wrong with a system that allows this.

and I know who you and most of us has respect for.

 

[MCFC Wirral]

Having resourced and recruited in several roles, there’s not a chance in hell that I’d want someone who has been unemployed for two years with no valid reason.

We have a straightforward customer service role here. The last candidate on temp to perm lasted a day and a half. The one before a week and a half.

People won’t work when they can exist simply. Why would you?

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Why did they leave so soon

 

[MCFC Wirral]

Why did they leave so soon

Is this at me? No idea. The manager recruits and trains them.

From what I can see, it’s not social media influencing or OnlyFans so they won’t work. Barmaids last weeks in my locals. Spend more time vaping outside on their phones than serving.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The time has come to stop the ridiculous benefits bill this country has.
We as a society are obliged to look after Children,The Elderly and the Disabled physically and mentally.
If you want benefits you should be made to work for them picking up rubbish,Graffiti cleaning etc no one who is able to get out of bed should be getting anything for free.I have a mate who has 9 kids him and his wife have never claimed a penny apart from the child benefits.
Another mate thinks we are all mugs for working.There is something wrong with a system that allows this.

13 years ago called. They want their arguments back. The Tories fixed all of this after the last time they tried to blame everything on benefits, remember? It's all the immigrants' fault now. Didn't you get the memo?

 

[oldius]

The benefits bill is mostly made from people who are working but claiming Universal Credit because their pay falls beneath the threshold. Why is anyone who works full-time falling beneath a level deemed essential to survive?

Tackling the long-term unemployed requires investment and is something that the government has shown little appetite for, despite innumerable demonising headlines in the Daily Mail. I have no issue in tackling it, but hope lies at the heart of it - hope for a brighter future - and that requires infrastructure in oft-forgotten communities.

Current estimates of tax avoided wealth in tax havens - 21 TRILLION POUNDS
Benefit fraud - 8.4bn pa.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Is this at me? No idea. The manager recruits and trains them.

From what I can see, it’s not social media influencing or OnlyFans so they won’t work. Barmaids last weeks in my locals. Spend more time vaping outside on their phones than serving.

My mum worked in a care home and still mates with staff, who say loads of the younger ones just take the piss, turn up late than have a cig outside. Call in sick every 2 weeks because weak management have no idea on managing it

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The benefits bill is mostly made from people who are working but claiming Universal Credit because their pay falls beneath the threshold. Why is anyone who works full-time falling beneath a level deemed essential to survive?

And then to add insult to injury, this is characterised as giving people benefits rather than subsidizing the wage bill of private companies.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

My mum worked in a care home and still mates with staff

I feel like there's a word missing in that sentence.

 

[Scottyboi]

My mum worked in a care home and still mates with staff, who say loads of the younger ones just take the piss, turn up late than have a cig outside. Call in sick every 2 weeks because weak management have no idea on managing it

Low paid extremely demanding job in low morale staff shocker.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Low paid extremely demanding job in low morale staff shocker.

Low morale lol. My mum did that job from about 45 until she was 65, lifting people, wiping up piss and shit all the rest, never called in sick or turned up late. If they don’t like the job they can get another one, loads of places are always taking on staff. There’sjust too many lazy cunts in this country

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Low paid extremely demanding job in low morale staff shocker.

Nobody wants to work nowadays for the shitty wages I'm offering.

 

[Scottyboi]

Low morale lol. My mum did that job from about 45 until she was 65, lifting people, wiping up piss and shit all the rest, never called in sick or turned up late. If they don’t like the job they can get another one, loads of places are always taking on staff. There’sjust too many lazy cunts in this country

Yeah and my dad did it for years too, the owner was making a fortune whilst paying everyone just above minimum wage to look after dementia patients.

It's all well and good saying get another job the care sector is fucked as it is and needs major investment. And it is only going to get worse with us having an ageing population.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Well whatever it’s called, a rise from 580000 in the mid 1990’s to over 2.2 million in 21/22 suggests to me something is not quite right. We haven’t suddenly got 4 times the number of disabled that we had 25 years ago.

What is classed as disabled these days though, to many categories now for people to get into.

 

[melrose40yarder]

13 years ago called. They want their arguments back. The Tories fixed all of this after the last time they tried to blame everything on benefits, remember? It's all the immigrants' fault now. Didn't you get the memo?

The tories and the labour party have sorted nothing and never will.Dont get me started on our abysmal political system.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

To compound the issue:

The average person earning £30,000 pays 38% tax.

People with an income over £500,000 pay an average of 21%.

When politicians say that essential services are not affordable, it is because they refuse to address this issue.

The part of our tax system that is the most nonsensical to me is the clawback zone. It will understandably never get much sympathy because it only impacts high earners but it really is totally stupid.

It means a young professional with student loans on 100k who earns a bonus might only actually take home 23% of the bonus. Basically they pay over 30% more in marginal rate than middle-aged execs earning half a million (assuming all their income is just salary and not stashed in havens - if so the difference is even higher).

Make it make sense.

The whole tax code needs binning and re-thinking if you ask me.

 

[MCFC Wirral]

Low paid extremely demanding job in low morale staff shocker.

The same could be said for many industries.

My dementia riddled nan died in one in North Manchester and three of the girls who’d cared for her attended the funeral. They couldn’t have been nicer.

I had an emergency ileostomy last year and received some special treatment from nurses. A couple of students used me as their case study and sat with me for ages.