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Dead duck Tory collaboration party. Or potential new pro remain centrist party aided by splitters from both Labour and Conservatives?
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oldtimerdiscopants
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They are just another group of politicians who would sell out for a chance at a pension and life security.
Fred_Quimby
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People like myself who are pro remain but find it difficult to support such a hard left wing Labour Party and impossible to support (enter expletive here) Tories. There needs to be a party of the middle ground. Unfortunately it will not happen because supporters of both are set in their way and very unlikely to change.
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I am a Labour voter but some of his policies he's announcing are quite radical.
Now he's reverted back to calling labour Stalinist.
Now he's reverted back to calling labour Stalinist.
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I dunno.People like myself who are pro remain but find it difficult to support such a hard left wing Labour Party and impossible to support (enter expletive here) Tories. There needs to be a party of the middle ground. Unfortunately it will not happen because supporters of both are set in their way and very unlikely to change.
The increasing 'democratisation' of Labour might actually help them. As the way it's going you will have a clear choice of left, right, and possibly a centre ground that could be exploited if instigated correctly.
PragueBlue
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So I can vote for someone that isn't May or Corbyn.
Still not sure I will do though.
Still not sure I will do though.
Fame Monster
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They got played by the Tories and like Labour - although for different reasons - they will be out of office for a generation. Their position on Brexit or any other issue is irrelevant until the public has long forgotten about the tuition fees debacle.
west didsblue
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Sadly the first sentence applies, although the second sentence should. If they managed to find themselves a charismatic leader untainted by the coalition government they could surprise a few people. Not sure that person exists.Dead duck Tory collaboration party. Or potential new pro remain centrist party aided by splitters from both Labour and Conservatives?
urban genie
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There isn't one.
Seriously if they hadn't made some terrible decisions in the last 2 decades, then maybe they could have built on the drift left and right, but they seem stuck in a political wilderness and really offer nowt fresh to even centerists.
Seriously if they hadn't made some terrible decisions in the last 2 decades, then maybe they could have built on the drift left and right, but they seem stuck in a political wilderness and really offer nowt fresh to even centerists.
Fame Monster
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There isn't one.
Seriously if they hadn't made some terrible decisions in the last 2 decades, then maybe they could have built on the drift left and right, but they seem stuck in a political wilderness and really offer nowt fresh to even centerists.
Their biggest problem, as everyone has known for years, is the electoral system. Their core supporters are centrists who are pragmatic people that won't vote for a party if it's got no chance of winning. So they sold out their voters for a bastardised form of PR and lost. Right now, while this debate over constituency seats is ongoing, they should have been hammering home the case for PR but they can't because they blown it in 2011.