Skashion
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More authoritarian in my view. He has just legalised state murder.SWP's back said:You think he is further to the right?
More authoritarian in my view. He has just legalised state murder.SWP's back said:You think he is further to the right?
jerseyblue said:nijinsky's fetlocks said:jerseyblue said:Rather significantly further to the left.
Based on what,exactly?
I'm going to do my best not to get in an argument here, but based on several things. For starters my position on this board compared to him, as I know for a fact I fall to right of him. Secondly, as a highly engaged American citizen I can inform you that our President is of the school of the European social welfare state, which alone should put him somewhere to the left of center. His stances on centralized bureaucratic government, his wonderfully inept healthcare bill, to forcing green energy down the throats of americans. I'd go on further, but I'm supposed to be working...
Don't take this as a dig at you, but as something I've generally come to understand from reading these boards... I think there is a generally wide misunderstanding of American politics. I would not pretend to know the first thing about anything that happens in England, although I was taught about. I would equally not expect for everyone on here to know about what happens in the USA, but there are far too many people who either pretend to know, or are just wildly misinformed.
nijinsky's fetlocks said:jerseyblue said:nijinsky's fetlocks said:Based on what,exactly?
I'm going to do my best not to get in an argument here, but based on several things. For starters my position on this board compared to him, as I know for a fact I fall to right of him. Secondly, as a highly engaged American citizen I can inform you that our President is of the school of the European social welfare state, which alone should put him somewhere to the left of center. His stances on centralized bureaucratic government, his wonderfully inept healthcare bill, to forcing green energy down the throats of americans. I'd go on further, but I'm supposed to be working...
Don't take this as a dig at you, but as something I've generally come to understand from reading these boards... I think there is a generally wide misunderstanding of American politics. I would not pretend to know the first thing about anything that happens in England, although I was taught about. I would equally not expect for everyone on here to know about what happens in the USA, but there are far too many people who either pretend to know, or are just wildly misinformed.
I won't take it as a dig,although I certainly find your 'you don't understand because you don't live here' attitude more than slightly patronising.
However,if you seriously think that Oreobama is 'of the European school of the social welfare state' then you clearly have little grasp of just how our social welfare system works,because it is so far removed from yours as to be a different species entirely.
As to his 'inept' welfare bill,well that was watered down to an unrecogniseable version of the original in order to get it passed.
'Forcing green energy down the throats of Americans'?
Did you read that in one of Sarah Palins pamphlets?
Your nation pumps out carbon emissions on an epic scale,so it's about time you had a long overdue reality check.
What happened to closing down Guantanamo?
Human rights?
Extraordinary rendition?
Investing in poorer inner city communities?
From where I stand,Oreobama is in exactly the right spot on the diagram.
I think you're confusing left/right with up/down. All those statist attributes of Obama's are authoritarian, which is why he is way north of your stance.jerseyblue said:nijinsky's fetlocks said:jerseyblue said:Rather significantly further to the left.
Based on what,exactly?
I'm going to do my best not to get in an argument here, but based on several things. For starters my position on this board compared to him, as I know for a fact I fall to right of him. Secondly, as a highly engaged American citizen I can inform you that our President is of the school of the European social welfare state, which alone should put him somewhere to the left of center. His stances on centralized bureaucratic government, his wonderfully inept healthcare bill, to forcing green energy down the throats of americans. I'd go on further, but I'm supposed to be working...
malg said:Christ, I'm almost exactly where Nelson Mandela was. Don't how I feel about that, other than Nelson Mandela must be one clever fucker!
Do you have a note in front of you reminding you to breathe?Johnsonontheleft said:Would those who call themselves socialists fall to the left or right of centre of this diagram?
SWP's back said:Do you have a note in front of you reminding you to breathe?Johnsonontheleft said:Would those who call themselves socialists fall to the left or right of centre of this diagram?
SWP's back said:Do you have a note in front of you reminding you to breathe?Johnsonontheleft said:Would those who call themselves socialists fall to the left or right of centre of this diagram?