What it used to be like.

The car park at the back of the Kippax was known as The Croft, it still makes me smile that when we moved into Flixton the kids there had an image of me playing in farmland as I played on the Croft.

Lol, oh the live of the inner city kid.
 
Blue Lloyd said:
To be fair if you own a copy of Gary James farewell to Maine Road you'll have already seen most of those pictures. The wooden benches on the Kippax is included and explained why?

As for the picture of the social club it was used as the Police Control room during the Moss Side riots in 1981 so I can only assume this picture was taken in the aftermath of that.

Thanks for the comment and acknowledgement. As you say most of these are in Farewell To Maine Road and the seated Kippax was for the Billy Graham (pages 156-157) in 1961. It also includes the story of the event.

The image of the Social Club with the rickety gates etc. is also in my book and was actually from before the Social Club opened, not after the riots. The building work was nearing completion (its story is told on p169).

Most of these images are from the Manchester Central Library service and can be viewed on their website (when I used them in the book we had to pay a small fortune for the reproduction rights and so on).

The library's information is based on the original photographer's knowledge and the person cataloguing them, so some are incorrectly recorded as being Maine Road (or Old Trafford etc.). So, sometimes you will see an image that the library claim is Maine Road (like the OT derby and the other stand image mentioned by another poster) but definitely is not.

To really see Maine Road, its external and internal views, have a look at some of the British pathe links I've posted on other threads. There's some great stuff out there.
 
Gary James said:
Blue Lloyd said:
To be fair if you own a copy of Gary James farewell to Maine Road you'll have already seen most of those pictures. The wooden benches on the Kippax is included and explained why?

As for the picture of the social club it was used as the Police Control room during the Moss Side riots in 1981 so I can only assume this picture was taken in the aftermath of that.

Thanks for the comment and acknowledgement. As you say most of these are in Farewell To Maine Road and the seated Kippax was for the Billy Graham (pages 156-157) in 1961. It also includes the story of the event.

The image of the Social Club with the rickety gates etc. is also in my book and was actually from before the Social Club opened, not after the riots. The building work was nearing completion (its story is told on p169).

Most of these images are from the Manchester Central Library service and can be viewed on their website (when I used them in the book we had to pay a small fortune for the reproduction rights and so on).

The library's information is based on the original photographer's knowledge and the person cataloguing them, so some are incorrectly recorded as being Maine Road (or Old Trafford etc.). So, sometimes you will see an image that the library claim is Maine Road (like the OT derby and the other stand image mentioned by another poster) but definitely is not.

To really see Maine Road, its external and internal views, have a look at some of the British pathe links I've posted on other threads. There's some great stuff out there.

Its always weird for me as a lad brought up round there to see it as I remember it and not as it was portrayed during its downward spiral.

As lovely as the City Chippy was as a memory for some all i remember is the nice run of shops that we all used.

The awful cladding of the main stand was not a great job in me eyes either.

And the new Platt Lane stand destroyed so many places where I used to play it was such a disappointment i cant describe.

But onward and upwards.
 
fantastic thread this.
i remember so much of my visits there, the changes and the fantastic matches, as mentioned the boro semi, i was dancing all over the place, i was 22 and was right into my footy. i never knew the kippax had seats, my first game was in 65, we sat in the platt lane, i went with my brother and his mates, we sat in the platt lane, i can't think why they did'nt stand on the kippax, i bet me mam told him i was'nt allowed in there so they all had to sit down:)
our kid was at sea so he was only home now and again but of course i was itching to go to the next game and pestered my dad, sure enough we are back at maine road but this time in the scoreboard, our dave was wadded but we were skint and the scoreboard was the only stand we could afford.after a few games and despite getting pissed wet through mam joined us on the terraces, we took our own food and drink, not just to save money but because that bloody tea trolly never made it round before the players were back out(half time was only 10 mins in those days).we did manage to get to a few away games too, considering the money it cost i was very grateful to my parents.of course we won the league and we returned to div 1 and then i had the time of my life.as i got older i would move to the kippax and in time take my own lad, by the time jess came along and was old enough to come to games we were firmly established in the north stand, even by then i had seen incredible changes at maine road, as you can imagine coms and arab money was just not even dreamt of, we were happy just being city.
nothing will ever shake these memories.
 
fbloke said:
Its always weird for me as a lad brought up round there to see it as I remember it and not as it was portrayed during its downward spiral.

As lovely as the City Chippy was as a memory for some all i remember is the nice run of shops that we all used.

The awful cladding of the main stand was not a great job in me eyes either.

And the new Platt Lane stand destroyed so many places where I used to play it was such a disappointment i cant describe.

But onward and upwards.

Although I predominantly only went to the Maine Road area because of City, I know what you mean about the way you remember it. I came from an area with a very bad reputation, but when I lived there I didn't view it like those from outside the area did. Similarly, with Maine Road, I always felt as if it was home. An extension of my own known universe, where you were safe, usually happy (not always depending on games!), and it was exciting.

I loved looking at Maine Road. To me classic Maine Road was how it looked around 1973-83. The Main Stand roof was replaced in 1982 and I think that was the first time I really thought about the experience of the ground rather than just the game. When the roof was being replaced, my dad used to take us down to Maine Road during the summer simply to see the work and how the ground was changing.
 
Gary James said:
fbloke said:
Its always weird for me as a lad brought up round there to see it as I remember it and not as it was portrayed during its downward spiral.

As lovely as the City Chippy was as a memory for some all i remember is the nice run of shops that we all used.

The awful cladding of the main stand was not a great job in me eyes either.

And the new Platt Lane stand destroyed so many places where I used to play it was such a disappointment i cant describe.

But onward and upwards.

Although I predominantly only went to the Maine Road area because of City, I know what you mean about the way you remember it. I came from an area with a very bad reputation, but when I lived there I didn't view it like those from outside the area did. Similarly, with Maine Road, I always felt as if it was home. An extension of my own known universe, where you were safe, usually happy (not always depending on games!), and it was exciting.

I loved looking at Maine Road. To me classic Maine Road was how it looked around 1973-83. The Main Stand roof was replaced in 1982 and I think that was the first time I really thought about the experience of the ground rather than just the game. When the roof was being replaced, my dad used to take us down to Maine Road during the summer simply to see the work and how the ground was changing.

As I used to live on top of the place any changes were part of my playground if you like.

I was fortunate enough to have moved away by the time the big changes occurred but i was there almost every week visiting friends, family or indeed going to a match.

One of the strangest moments for me as when I first visited after the old floolights had been taken down.

The fact that the 'Blackpool Tower' moment had gone forever was one thing but the simple bareness of the place seemed very strange.

I suppose the young folks on here wont ever get such a sense as they were very old school lights.

Ahhhhhhh and now for a cup of tea.<br /><br />-- Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:12 am --<br /><br />I was wondering if anyone had been brave enough to type the words Pink Entry into Google yet ;-)

Heres a great shot of the old ground.

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I could well be one of those kids?!
 
Great pic's fBloke,
Take's me back to the days when I was about 9 or 10 years old, I live round the corner from maine road and every home game I'd be out bright and early asking the people parking there cars on the streets if I could mined there cars? then they would give me 10p or something like that (it was a long time ago),Then when they walked away so would I and ask someone else,Then I'd try to snike in for the match but if I got griped I had the money to pay.

The good old days (fuck me I must be geting old saying thing like that)
 
Dyed Petya said:
Just to get the atmosphere in the mid and late 1970s, here are clips from two games from then. This is when I first started going, and the crowd at these matches should hopefully give an idea of why a kid of primary school age could fall in love with the club.

My first game was on Boxing Day 1975, when a crowd of just under 50K saw us lose at home to Leeds. But we dominated the game and deserved better. All I remember is the noisy and passionate crowd. I wasn't at the game that this first clip is taken from (I was too young to be allowed to midweek fixtures then), but it's one of the best representatives of how a big game was at MR in those days.

It's the League Cup semi, when a very injury hit City played Jack Charlton's 'Boro, a notoriously resolute and tough (in all senses of the word) side, who led 1-0 from the first leg. We swept them aside 4-0, and The Mirror's Oliver Holt described it thus only six weeks ago (and it's wonderfully evocative stuff, even for those who normally don't like Holt):

I looked up the date in one of my old programmes. It was January 21, 1976 - 34 years ago last week - when Manchester City played Middlesbrough in the second leg of a League Cup semi-final.

A couple of hours before the game, I ran round the corner to the house where my mate, John Marshall, lived and piled into the car with his dad and his brothers.

I remember every bit of that night, parking up in a cul-de-sac in Moss Side, John’s dad giving some kids 50p to mind the car.

The magic of climbing up the steps in the North Stand at Maine Road and suddenly seeing the pitch, floodlit and waiting.

remember the intensity of it all, the avalanche of noise roaring out of the Kippax, driving City on and on.

Peter Barnes, Asa Hartford, Joe Royle and the rest of them sweeping Middlesbrough aside with four goals and the fans singing about Wembley.

And the bloke in the row in front of us so overcome with it all when Royle buried the fourth that he flung his arms in the air and inadvertently stubbed out his cigarette on the back of John’s hand.

When we got back to the car, the kids hadn’t minded it at all. It looked like someone had been dancing on its roof.

I laughed about that night with John’s dad the last time I saw him a couple of days after Christmas.

Ian was sitting in his front room, hooked up to an oxygen machine to aid his breathing now that the cancer was attacking his lungs.

We talked about the old days when John and I were kids and big gangs of us would play football on the local park every spare minute we had.

And we talked about City. I’d just been to interview Craig Bellamy so we talked about him and how brilliant he has been this season, how the fans love him because of his spirit.

Last Friday, I went to Ian’s funeral. It was more a celebration of his life, actually, and John and his brothers were wearing City scarves over their suits. A lot of the rest of his family and friends wore sky blue ties.

...

Anyway, here are the highlights:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXLc1CYZoqw[/youtube]

Here's one with a great atmosphere that I did attend. Liverpool at Maine Road, October 1977. A meeting of the previous season's top two, who were fancied as the two leading title contenders again - Cloughie's newly promoted Forest were also off to a great start, but though they eventually won it, no one really took them seriously at this stage. So even early in the season, this was perceived as a really big and potentially decisive game.

No wonder, then, that the place went mad as City came from behind to beat the reigning European Champions (and you can see their quality with the move for the first goal):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE388_zcEVg[/youtube]

How many would of been at Maine road for the Liverpool game, looks absolutely packed to the rafters!
 
Gary James said:
Although I predominantly only went to the Maine Road area because of City, I know what you mean about the way you remember it. I came from an area with a very bad reputation, but when I lived there I didn't view it like those from outside the area did. Similarly, with Maine Road, I always felt as if it was home. An extension of my own known universe, where you were safe, usually happy (not always depending on games!), and it was exciting.

I loved looking at Maine Road. To me classic Maine Road was how it looked around 1973-83. The Main Stand roof was replaced in 1982 and I think that was the first time I really thought about the experience of the ground rather than just the game. When the roof was being replaced, my dad used to take us down to Maine Road during the summer simply to see the work and how the ground was changing.

My dad had grown up in Moss Side. He used to live on Burdith Avenue, which was just behind the Parkside and between Lloyd Street South and the Princess Road bus depot. His grandparents had lived on Lowthorpe Street, which was one of that row of streets connecting Maine Road and Lloyd Street South. His auntie still lived on Yew Tree Road, and we'd sometimes drop in for a cup of tea on the way to or from a match. Even though my dad had long since moved away, I used to feel every time I went to Maine Road I felt like I was connecting with my family's roots.

In line with the comments above, I loved the ground as it was when I started going in 1975. It was recognised as a top stadium and hosted FA Cup semi finals ahead of Old Trafford back then. As a kid, even though I was very definitely a Blue, I was taken to Old Trafford sometimes, and though even then it was a more self-consciously grand arena, I preferred Maine Road, which was unpretentious and simply a wonderful example of a traditional football stadium.

The atmosphere was wonderful as well. The crowd at Old Trafford showed a lot of passion in those days, but there was a slight edge of nastiness. At Maine Road, it was less so - though I know it could be an intimidating place for away fans in the streets around the ground. I remember a piece in the Mirror by the journalist Derek Wallis, talking about the crowd at our place, saying that Maine Road housed "the most philosophical crowd of all". So while there was plenty of passion at City too, there was a touch of humour, and, though the opposition got a lot of stick, there was less bilious hatred of them than at United. A really good opposition goal could be quite widely applauded.

West Brom, under Ron Atkinson, were a really good and very attractive side then, and I remember them turning us over one day with the help of a cracking goal by Cyrille Regis, which was quite warmly applauded. I was also at Old Trafford for WBA's famous 5-3 win there, and the late Laurie Cunningham scored a wonderful goal, only to be met with a hail of vicious abuse, much of it racist. That for me seemed to sum up the difference between the two sets of fans: I was pleased then to have been born into following City rather than them, and have never regretted it since.

As I've said on another thread, Maine Road for me had become a shadow of what it previously was by the mid-nineties and it reflected the failings in the running of the club. I was pleased to leave in the end, because I thought the new Platt Lane and Kippax stands had pretty much removed most of the soul of the place. Before that, I thought the new Main Stand roof looked a bit incongruous set against the rest of the ground, but it was never something that I thought had too detrimental an effect on the atmosphere of the place.

Of course, that new roof for the stand was supposed to be the start of a complete overhaul of the stadium, which would - I think - have had a roof like that going all round the ground. The plans were in the match programme in the 1981/2 season, and from memory the intention was to go from a capacity of 52K with 26K seats to 48K with 32K seats, and I remember reading somewhere that it could subsequently be made all seater with a capacity of over 40K. It was also going to incorporate executive boxes and corporate facilities which were an innovation back then. Of course, we couldn't afford to do anything after phase one because of a lack of cash - despite Swales saying that it would be funded by the Development Association and not the club itself (at least, I'm fairly sure the Pink quoted him on this).

The other possible redevelopment of Maine Road was in the nineties, after redevelopment of the Kippax, as an alternative in case we didn't get the move to the Commonwealth Stadium. I know the club had to, and did, look at the possibility of a redevelopment in case Eastlands didn't become a reality and there was no way we could have afforded to build our own brand new stadium. I do recall a design being published in King of the Kippax which would have taken us to an all seater capacity of around 46K, I think, by basically adding an extra tier to the North, Main and Platt Lane Stands and filling in the corners.

How official that was in terms of representing a Plan B that the board had come up with, I don't know. I do know that there were a lot of complaints from residents because they claimed it affected their TV reception, and City were worried that they wouldn't get planning permission for rebuilding other stands to the height we'd need to get the capacity up above 40,000.<br /><br />-- Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:34 pm --<br /><br />
blue_paul said:
How many would of been at Maine road for the Liverpool game, looks absolutely packed to the rafters!

Official gate as given at MCFCStats was 49,207. (The Boro semi final was apparently 44,426).

There were many crowd figures in the pre-all seater days where I could well believe that the actual gate was larger than the one officially given by the club (most strikingly, the Charlton promotion game in 1985), and that Liverpool match may be one.
 
levets said:
fbloke said:
Pre-dating the chippy on the corner of Maine Road

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-- Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:27 pm --

Unquestionably Maine Road

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-- Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:33 pm --

Do any of you recognise this strange building ;-)

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The small white door was the players entrance


where did you find all these photos mate... would love to have a butchers myself..
 
Well, while we're taking a trip down memory lane...here's something my Mum, who died last month and who was a blue for more than 70 years, emailed to me about the last match at Maine Road. I couldn't attend as I was with the UN if Afghanistan but her note made me smell the dodgy burgers, the horse crap and bovril! She was a lifelong season ticket holder and her family were old friends with Frank Swift. Apologies for its length and typos but didn't want to alter it at all.

We set off early as we wanted to call at sainsburys to get some sandwiches. Whilst there I bought a half bottle of champagne ans two champagne flutes {plastic}. We already had the thermos flasks as usual so we had everything we needed for a long emotional day. We arrived at the ground a 12 noon. Gates didn't open until 1pm. We got a good parking place just opposite the Parkside. The pub was crowded outside, Chips and Gravy was doing a roaring trade and everyone, just everyone was either dressed in blue, carrying a blue flag or had a City scarf round their necks. We sat in the car watching everthing. Dad went for a couple of cans of lager and we drank them whilst watching the flags, balloons and painted faces pass by. Right then, lets go.We walked up Lloyd St to the road we always turn down. Maine Road ahead. I burst into tears. That was a good start. I asked Dad if he would get a photo of the ground from that corner, then another of the Main Entrance. Whilst I was waiting for him to come back people near me started clapping and it was Goater making his way from the Car Park to the entrance. Next thing everyone was singing "feed the Goat". and cheering him. The ground was empty when we got in as the turnstiles hadn't opened, but we had gone through disabled. It soon filled up though. Dad was busy taking photographs. I wanted one of the goalmouth in front of me from the position I had when I went with my Dad as that was where Frank Swift used to wave to me from. Another of the Gene Kelly Stand where I used to wave to you and Phlilip. Suddenly applause started from the Gene Kelly stand and George Kinkladse was making his way round to the players tunnel. What an ovation.. Then the parade of legends started The fifties first. Roy Little was the oldest ex player there Joe Fagin, Smith , Hart. Then the sixties. seventies and so on. So many players. Mike Doyle, Francis Lee Mike Summerbee . Geo Kinky said he always had a special affection for Maine Road, and we cheered him again. In fact we cheered anything and everything. Tony Book was there and his hair is as white as Dads. I didn't recognise him. Denis Law looks younger than ever. Then it was time for the teams to come out. "Maine Road will you welcome your Mamchester City team out for the last time ever here at Maine Road" !!! the place erupted Blue Moon I saw you standing alone etc. Crikey Moses Carl, there wasn"t a dry eye to be seen. The cheering went on and on and so did Blue Moon, City till I die, and all the others. Schmeicel {?} went to every player and shook their hands. The players all lined up outside the players tunnnel and Mike Summerbee escorted Mrs Mercer out to meet both teams. What a reception she got. Mike Summerbee is going to present her with Joe Mercers shirts and caps from the Trophy Room. Then out came Colin Bell. "Theres only one Colin Bell" to meet the teams. Finally out came Malcolm Alison. The place went mad. Apparently he is in an old folks home in Sale, and he suffers from depression. Lets hope the occasion lifted him a little. The teams were announced and when it came to the Captain all you could hear was FEED THE GOAT. It seemed to go on for ever. The match was nothing to write home about. When the players came back after half time, they hung back and let Goater come out on his own. Very very emotional. The second half wasnt much better than the 1st, but thats City for you. Roller Coaster. Perhaps thats why we love them. Match over. We waited for a while then the lads came out to walk a lap of honour. They were clapping us, we were clapping them. They slowly made their way round and then one more wave and they went in forever. Time the champagne came out. It did taste good. We kept the bottle out of sight in case we got told off and we had prawn sandwiches{ just to let the Reds know they aren't the only ones to eat them ! The presentation started Smeichel was first and Goater came on to the stage. Apparently he was a bit weepie. We wouldn't let him go for a long while. It was sad to see him walk slowly off the pitch for the last time. There were three bands playing the sort of music you and Philip like, you know boom boom boom. In between times Ricky Hatton came on . His match at Maine Road is off because he had to have plastic surgery on his eye. Very disappointed he said he was, but there it is. Then Paul Dickov came on and said how much he loved this place, but now that Leicester were in the Premiership he was looking forward to playing at the new stadium. Kicking a few was how he put it. Them came the fireworks, and what a great display it was. Two machines then blew out blue and white tickertape all over the ground. Everyone was still singing blue moon right to the end. Not one person went on the pitch, nothing was ruined. Everone behaved and a wonderful, nostalgic, emotional time was had by all. We left the ground very subdued. Not just us, - everyone. You could feel the sadness and see lots of tears. I crossed Maine Road, stopped on the corner. I turned to look at the stadium one last time. Goodbye Old Lady , thanks for so many happy, and sad times. Your'e looking tired now, it"s time for a well earned rest. God bless.
 
fbloke said:
superwatsonwatson said:
I think Blue b4 the moon is right, i think that is platt lane with the two entrances/exits at the back.

I was wondering that but apparently they seated the Kippax for the event - Billy Graham

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The seats arent right for Platt Lane either and if you notice the crush barriers are still in place.


Definitely the Kippax...
 
carlos said:
Well, while we're taking a trip down memory lane...here's something my Mum, who died last month and who was a blue for more than 70 years, emailed to me about the last match at Maine Road. I couldn't attend as I was with the UN if Afghanistan but her note made me smell the dodgy burgers, the horse crap and bovril! She was a lifelong season ticket holder and her family were old friends with Frank Swift. Apologies for its length and typos but didn't want to alter it at all.

We set off early as we wanted to call at sainsburys to get some sandwiches. Whilst there I bought a half bottle of champagne ans two champagne flutes {plastic}. We already had the thermos flasks as usual so we had everything we needed for a long emotional day. We arrived at the ground a 12 noon. Gates didn't open until 1pm. We got a good parking place just opposite the Parkside. The pub was crowded outside, Chips and Gravy was doing a roaring trade and everyone, just everyone was either dressed in blue, carrying a blue flag or had a City scarf round their necks. We sat in the car watching everthing. Dad went for a couple of cans of lager and we drank them whilst watching the flags, balloons and painted faces pass by. Right then, lets go.We walked up Lloyd St to the road we always turn down. Maine Road ahead. I burst into tears. That was a good start. I asked Dad if he would get a photo of the ground from that corner, then another of the Main Entrance. Whilst I was waiting for him to come back people near me started clapping and it was Goater making his way from the Car Park to the entrance. Next thing everyone was singing "feed the Goat". and cheering him. The ground was empty when we got in as the turnstiles hadn't opened, but we had gone through disabled. It soon filled up though. Dad was busy taking photographs. I wanted one of the goalmouth in front of me from the position I had when I went with my Dad as that was where Frank Swift used to wave to me from. Another of the Gene Kelly Stand where I used to wave to you and Phlilip. Suddenly applause started from the Gene Kelly stand and George Kinkladse was making his way round to the players tunnel. What an ovation.. Then the parade of legends started The fifties first. Roy Little was the oldest ex player there Joe Fagin, Smith , Hart. Then the sixties. seventies and so on. So many players. Mike Doyle, Francis Lee Mike Summerbee . Geo Kinky said he always had a special affection for Maine Road, and we cheered him again. In fact we cheered anything and everything. Tony Book was there and his hair is as white as Dads. I didn't recognise him. Denis Law looks younger than ever. Then it was time for the teams to come out. "Maine Road will you welcome your Mamchester City team out for the last time ever here at Maine Road" !!! the place erupted Blue Moon I saw you standing alone etc. Crikey Moses Carl, there wasn"t a dry eye to be seen. The cheering went on and on and so did Blue Moon, City till I die, and all the others. Schmeicel {?} went to every player and shook their hands. The players all lined up outside the players tunnnel and Mike Summerbee escorted Mrs Mercer out to meet both teams. What a reception she got. Mike Summerbee is going to present her with Joe Mercers shirts and caps from the Trophy Room. Then out came Colin Bell. "Theres only one Colin Bell" to meet the teams. Finally out came Malcolm Alison. The place went mad. Apparently he is in an old folks home in Sale, and he suffers from depression. Lets hope the occasion lifted him a little. The teams were announced and when it came to the Captain all you could hear was FEED THE GOAT. It seemed to go on for ever. The match was nothing to write home about. When the players came back after half time, they hung back and let Goater come out on his own. Very very emotional. The second half wasnt much better than the 1st, but thats City for you. Roller Coaster. Perhaps thats why we love them. Match over. We waited for a while then the lads came out to walk a lap of honour. They were clapping us, we were clapping them. They slowly made their way round and then one more wave and they went in forever. Time the champagne came out. It did taste good. We kept the bottle out of sight in case we got told off and we had prawn sandwiches{ just to let the Reds know they aren't the only ones to eat them ! The presentation started Smeichel was first and Goater came on to the stage. Apparently he was a bit weepie. We wouldn't let him go for a long while. It was sad to see him walk slowly off the pitch for the last time. There were three bands playing the sort of music you and Philip like, you know boom boom boom. In between times Ricky Hatton came on . His match at Maine Road is off because he had to have plastic surgery on his eye. Very disappointed he said he was, but there it is. Then Paul Dickov came on and said how much he loved this place, but now that Leicester were in the Premiership he was looking forward to playing at the new stadium. Kicking a few was how he put it. Them came the fireworks, and what a great display it was. Two machines then blew out blue and white tickertape all over the ground. Everyone was still singing blue moon right to the end. Not one person went on the pitch, nothing was ruined. Everone behaved and a wonderful, nostalgic, emotional time was had by all. We left the ground very subdued. Not just us, - everyone. You could feel the sadness and see lots of tears. I crossed Maine Road, stopped on the corner. I turned to look at the stadium one last time. Goodbye Old Lady , thanks for so many happy, and sad times. Your'e looking tired now, it"s time for a well earned rest. God bless.

Thats a brilliant post thanks to you and your mum.

Lets hope she doesnt have to put up with any of that boom, boom, boom music in heaven fella ;-)
 
Dyed Petya said:
Before that, I thought the new Main Stand roof looked a bit incongruous set against the rest of the ground, but it was never something that I thought had too detrimental an effect on the atmosphere of the place.

Of course, that new roof for the stand was supposed to be the start of a complete overhaul of the stadium, which would - I think - have had a roof like that going all round the ground. The plans were in the match programme in the 1981/2 season, and from memory the intention was to go from a capacity of 52K with 26K seats to 48K with 32K seats, and I remember reading somewhere that it could subsequently be made all seater with a capacity of over 40K. It was also going to incorporate executive boxes and corporate facilities which were an innovation back then. Of course, we couldn't afford to do anything after phase one because of a lack of cash - despite Swales saying that it would be funded by the Development Association and not the club itself (at least, I'm fairly sure the Pink quoted him on this).

The other possible redevelopment of Maine Road was in the nineties, after redevelopment of the Kippax, as an alternative in case we didn't get the move to the Commonwealth Stadium. I know the club had to, and did, look at the possibility of a redevelopment in case Eastlands didn't become a reality and there was no way we could have afforded to build our own brand new stadium. I do recall a design being published in King of the Kippax which would have taken us to an all seater capacity of around 46K, I think, by basically adding an extra tier to the North, Main and Platt Lane Stands and filling in the corners.

How official that was in terms of representing a Plan B that the board had come up with, I don't know. I do know that there were a lot of complaints from residents because they claimed it affected their TV reception, and City were worried that they wouldn't get planning permission for rebuilding other stands to the height we'd need to get the capacity up above 40,000.

There were many crowd figures in the pre-all seater days where I could well believe that the actual gate was larger than the one officially given by the club (most strikingly, the Charlton promotion game in 1985), and that Liverpool match may be one.

Maine Road's development is something I've done a lot of research on and I tried to include as much detail as possible in "Farewell To Maine Road" (while also making it entertaining. There's so much that can be said, perhaps it's time to republish Farewell To Maine Road.

Anyway, as far as the 1982 redevelopment goes... you're right about the Exec boxes. They were going to 'hang' from the roof at the front on that silly criss-cross set of girders - that's why the initial roof build cost £1m (it would have been a lot less had they not needed to allow the weight in their designs.

The plan was to mirror this roof on the Kippax (but keep the terracing) and to rebuild Platt Lane to resemble the North Stand (these would also be extended into the Kippax corners). Estimated build was £6m (I guess about £2.5m for the 2 roofs and a new stand for £3.5m). Swales once said the capacity was supposed to increase to around 56,000, though how that could happen is a bit of a mystery as the 'old' Platt Lane Stand held around 9,000 (about 1,000 more than the North Stand), so I guess the Kippax terracing would have been increased but then we'd have also lost the extra standing places in the corners.

The plan was put on ice prior to relegation in 1983, although most claim it was relegation that ended it (Swales stopped the plan when he realised the financial mess he'd created). I actually had a City official (who is still at the club) tell me once the Exec Box plan was stopped because of safety after the Bradford fire, but Wembley had a similar set up, so I find that extremely hard to accept. It was more about money.

The Francis Lee 1994 plan for Maine Road was to see a new Kippax (what we got), a new tier on the North Stand (with boxes between tier 1 and 2) and Platt Lane Stands, part of the Main Stand removed and then 2 new tiers (to resemble the new Kippax's 3 tiers) added. Total capacity was around 50,000 (Lee desperately wanted a capacity of over 50k at this time). All of this would be enclosed to form one continuous roof.

A new amenities building was to be built on 'the croft' (including museum, shop, social etc.), and the players tunnel was to be moved to the Kippax/Platt Lane corner.

Both these plans appeared in the City programmes of the period (Lee's plans were given away as a poster).

These also appear in "Farewell To Maine Rd" and Lee's plans show the different phases of development (phase 1 = Kippax & Kippax/Platt Lane Corner; 2 = Amenities building; 3 = North Stand (and reduction in Main Stand); 4 = Main Stand; 5 = Platt Lane).

Had the move to the new stadium not happened, then it's likely Lee's plan would have been used as a template for improving Maine Rd but clearly finance was always the issue.

The best Maine Road plan was the initial one, which the club adhered to until WW2 - again it's a fascinating plan.
 
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<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNlfGK-Xu0U" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNlfGK-Xu0U</a> (tho no sound still a top flashback)

<a class="postlink" href="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...374433624797661" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 3624797661</a>
 
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=83765" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=83765</a>

Have a look at this. It shows Maine Rd 1949. People Queueing at Main Stand and Kippax.

Some of it's repeated in this but this also has the game and commentary about Swift etc.:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=27041" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=27041</a>
 
Gary James said:
Maine Road's development is something I've done a lot of research on and I tried to include as much detail as possible in "Farewell To Maine Road" (while also making it entertaining. There's so much that can be said, perhaps it's time to republish Farewell To Maine Road.

Anyway, as far as the 1982 redevelopment goes... you're right about the Exec boxes. They were going to 'hang' from the roof at the front on that silly criss-cross set of girders - that's why the initial roof build cost £1m (it would have been a lot less had they not needed to allow the weight in their designs.

The plan was to mirror this roof on the Kippax (but keep the terracing) and to rebuild Platt Lane to resemble the North Stand (these would also be extended into the Kippax corners). Estimated build was £6m (I guess about £2.5m for the 2 roofs and a new stand for £3.5m). Swales once said the capacity was supposed to increase to around 56,000, though how that could happen is a bit of a mystery as the 'old' Platt Lane Stand held around 9,000 (about 1,000 more than the North Stand), so I guess the Kippax terracing would have been increased but then we'd have also lost the extra standing places in the corners.

The plan was put on ice prior to relegation in 1983, although most claim it was relegation that ended it (Swales stopped the plan when he realised the financial mess he'd created). I actually had a City official (who is still at the club) tell me once the Exec Box plan was stopped because of safety after the Bradford fire, but Wembley had a similar set up, so I find that extremely hard to accept. It was more about money.

The Francis Lee 1994 plan for Maine Road was to see a new Kippax (what we got), a new tier on the North Stand (with boxes between tier 1 and 2) and Platt Lane Stands, part of the Main Stand removed and then 2 new tiers (to resemble the new Kippax's 3 tiers) added. Total capacity was around 50,000 (Lee desperately wanted a capacity of over 50k at this time). All of this would be enclosed to form one continuous roof.

A new amenities building was to be built on 'the croft' (including museum, shop, social etc.), and the players tunnel was to be moved to the Kippax/Platt Lane corner.

Both these plans appeared in the City programmes of the period (Lee's plans were given away as a poster).

These also appear in "Farewell To Maine Rd" and Lee's plans show the different phases of development (phase 1 = Kippax & Kippax/Platt Lane Corner; 2 = Amenities building; 3 = North Stand (and reduction in Main Stand); 4 = Main Stand; 5 = Platt Lane).

Had the move to the new stadium not happened, then it's likely Lee's plan would have been used as a template for improving Maine Rd but clearly finance was always the issue.

The best Maine Road plan was the initial one, which the club adhered to until WW2 - again it's a fascinating plan.

Thanks - I hoped you'd be around and able to add to the thread.

As far as I recall with the Swales plan, there was no announcement of it being dropped or shelved. The work simply didn't happen, and no one in the local media ever said anything about it, presumably because they didn't want to be blacklisted by the club.

Manchester announced in May 1995 that we were going for the Commonwealth Games and we were awarded them in November of that year, so it was always likely we'd move to that stadium. There was no way it was ever going to become the national stadium ahead of Wembley and I think United were always likely to stay at Old Trafford, so I suspect that Lee's plans for Maine Road were only going to be seriously developed if the Commonwealth Stadium move had failed to come off. They may have had to be changed to get planning consent, I suspect, but we'll never know.
 
carlos said:
Well, while we're taking a trip down memory lane...here's something my Mum, who died last month and who was a blue for more than 70 years, emailed to me about the last match at Maine Road. I couldn't attend as I was with the UN if Afghanistan but her note made me smell the dodgy burgers, the horse crap and bovril! She was a lifelong season ticket holder and her family were old friends with Frank Swift. Apologies for its length and typos but didn't want to alter it at all.

We set off early as we wanted to call at sainsburys to get some sandwiches. Whilst there I bought a half bottle of champagne ans two champagne flutes {plastic}. We already had the thermos flasks as usual so we had everything we needed for a long emotional day. We arrived at the ground a 12 noon. Gates didn't open until 1pm. We got a good parking place just opposite the Parkside. The pub was crowded outside, Chips and Gravy was doing a roaring trade and everyone, just everyone was either dressed in blue, carrying a blue flag or had a City scarf round their necks. We sat in the car watching everthing. Dad went for a couple of cans of lager and we drank them whilst watching the flags, balloons and painted faces pass by. Right then, lets go.We walked up Lloyd St to the road we always turn down. Maine Road ahead. I burst into tears. That was a good start. I asked Dad if he would get a photo of the ground from that corner, then another of the Main Entrance. Whilst I was waiting for him to come back people near me started clapping and it was Goater making his way from the Car Park to the entrance. Next thing everyone was singing "feed the Goat". and cheering him. The ground was empty when we got in as the turnstiles hadn't opened, but we had gone through disabled. It soon filled up though. Dad was busy taking photographs. I wanted one of the goalmouth in front of me from the position I had when I went with my Dad as that was where Frank Swift used to wave to me from. Another of the Gene Kelly Stand where I used to wave to you and Phlilip. Suddenly applause started from the Gene Kelly stand and George Kinkladse was making his way round to the players tunnel. What an ovation.. Then the parade of legends started The fifties first. Roy Little was the oldest ex player there Joe Fagin, Smith , Hart. Then the sixties. seventies and so on. So many players. Mike Doyle, Francis Lee Mike Summerbee . Geo Kinky said he always had a special affection for Maine Road, and we cheered him again. In fact we cheered anything and everything. Tony Book was there and his hair is as white as Dads. I didn't recognise him. Denis Law looks younger than ever. Then it was time for the teams to come out. "Maine Road will you welcome your Mamchester City team out for the last time ever here at Maine Road" !!! the place erupted Blue Moon I saw you standing alone etc. Crikey Moses Carl, there wasn"t a dry eye to be seen. The cheering went on and on and so did Blue Moon, City till I die, and all the others. Schmeicel {?} went to every player and shook their hands. The players all lined up outside the players tunnnel and Mike Summerbee escorted Mrs Mercer out to meet both teams. What a reception she got. Mike Summerbee is going to present her with Joe Mercers shirts and caps from the Trophy Room. Then out came Colin Bell. "Theres only one Colin Bell" to meet the teams. Finally out came Malcolm Alison. The place went mad. Apparently he is in an old folks home in Sale, and he suffers from depression. Lets hope the occasion lifted him a little. The teams were announced and when it came to the Captain all you could hear was FEED THE GOAT. It seemed to go on for ever. The match was nothing to write home about. When the players came back after half time, they hung back and let Goater come out on his own. Very very emotional. The second half wasnt much better than the 1st, but thats City for you. Roller Coaster. Perhaps thats why we love them. Match over. We waited for a while then the lads came out to walk a lap of honour. They were clapping us, we were clapping them. They slowly made their way round and then one more wave and they went in forever. Time the champagne came out. It did taste good. We kept the bottle out of sight in case we got told off and we had prawn sandwiches{ just to let the Reds know they aren't the only ones to eat them ! The presentation started Smeichel was first and Goater came on to the stage. Apparently he was a bit weepie. We wouldn't let him go for a long while. It was sad to see him walk slowly off the pitch for the last time. There were three bands playing the sort of music you and Philip like, you know boom boom boom. In between times Ricky Hatton came on . His match at Maine Road is off because he had to have plastic surgery on his eye. Very disappointed he said he was, but there it is. Then Paul Dickov came on and said how much he loved this place, but now that Leicester were in the Premiership he was looking forward to playing at the new stadium. Kicking a few was how he put it. Them came the fireworks, and what a great display it was. Two machines then blew out blue and white tickertape all over the ground. Everyone was still singing blue moon right to the end. Not one person went on the pitch, nothing was ruined. Everone behaved and a wonderful, nostalgic, emotional time was had by all. We left the ground very subdued. Not just us, - everyone. You could feel the sadness and see lots of tears. I crossed Maine Road, stopped on the corner. I turned to look at the stadium one last time. Goodbye Old Lady , thanks for so many happy, and sad times. Your'e looking tired now, it"s time for a well earned rest. God bless.

Great read on a great thread carlos....took me back to that day like it was yesterday...we also parked by the parkside then a few pints and then a visit to chips n gravy...i also remember the goat getting mobbed outside and getting his autograpgh

still got a program in it`s celophane wrapper never been opened
 
Dyed Petya said:
Thanks - I hoped you'd be around and able to add to the thread.

Manchester announced in May 1995 that we were going for the Commonwealth Games and we were awarded them in November of that year, so it was always likely we'd move to that stadium. There was no way it was ever going to become the national stadium ahead of Wembley and I think United were always likely to stay at Old Trafford, so I suspect that Lee's plans for Maine Road were only going to be seriously developed if the Commonwealth Stadium move had failed to come off. They may have had to be changed to get planning consent, I suspect, but we'll never know.

Ah.... Utd at COMs - I have performed interviews which will appear in the next edition of "Manchester: A Football History" which reveals how key players at Manchester Council were desperate to move Utd to Eastlands. The story is a bit of a shocking one, but believe me, until City signed the deal in 1999 to move (signed after our promotion to Div 1 was guaranteed) Utd were being 'courted' behind the scenes.

Don't forget the original plan was for an 80,000 capacity stadium and during the mid 90s OT's capacity was about 45,000, rising to 68k by 2003.
 

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