Where have all the police gone?

[bluethrunthru]

That's all fair enough but regardless of what's gone on in the past I'm not sure I'd be content to just allow anybody and everybody to film certain buildings with impunity.
The important detail for me is how they approach and question those doing the filming. There have, as you rightly point out been too many instances of the Police making a pigs ear of it.

But the law isn't about an individuals contentment. What is permissible is you have the right to film anything or anyone which can be seen from a public space. So through railings through open gates on the streets etc - there is no right to assumed privacy when in public. The two words - private - and - public - make that clear.

What always gets me is if its a cop shop, an Army Barracks or a crisp factory its all legal from the road, on a nearby hill and even now by drone as long as the drone pilot meets the necessary licensing requirements. There is nothing stopping any institution from erecting a 50 foot fence or hedge all around the perimeter and block out probably 99% of the "audits" - its just they find it cheaper not to and would rather instruct a minimum wage security guard to confront someone and tell lies and quote non existent laws

 

[paulchapo]

That's all fair enough but regardless of what's gone on in the past I'm not sure I'd be content to just allow anybody and everybody to film certain buildings with impunity.
The important detail for me is how they approach and question those doing the filming. There have, as you rightly point out been too many instances of the Police making a pigs ear of it.

It's not illegal to do so. Not yet anyway.

This is the problem being highlighted. Annoying as it may be to the police involved it is often escalated due to their ego's at not being able to legally prevent it, so they become aggressive and misuse laws to arrest and harass the person filming when they know doing so is a misuse of those powers.

I'm in no way anti police, many are fantastic and dedicated and are fighting an impossible battle trying to keep a lid on all the crime and violence out there. A fair few though, as highlighted in such videos, are egotistical bullies.

 

[mancityvstoke]

It's not illegal to do so. Not yet anyway.

This is the problem being highlighted. Annoying as it may be to the police involved it is often escalated due to their ego's at not being able to legally prevent it, so they become aggressive and misuse laws to arrest and harass the person filming when they know doing so is a misuse of those powers.

I'm in no way anti police, many are fantastic and dedicated and are fighting an impossible battle trying to keep a lid on all the crime and violence out there. A fair few though, as highlighted in such videos, are egotistical bullies.

yeah...but for me it's the ridiculous waste of scarce police resources on "not rights" legally filming them. Just ignore them. Or politely ask why they're filming and then drive off.

 

[bert38]

Exactly. I don't think there's been one. There also hasn't to my knowledge been a terrorist attack aside of Ireland on a police station in this country. There was the custody sergeant killed by a prisoner who had a weapon concealed on him that the arresting officers failed to find. It's a nonsense excuse to use. Anyone really wanting to glean info or do harm would do it in a totally different manner.

And yet numerous officers have been killed in the line of duty, including a former colleague of mine, and even more officers sustaining life altering injuries just going about their job.
Filming and publishing details of officers and their private vehicles is not justified, despite people’s views.
This thread has gone down a predictable route.

 

[mexico1970]

 

[Blue Mist]

Here's one for you. If the cops want to listen to phone calls, drug dealers etc, they have to do pages of reports that eventually make their way to the Home Secretary. He is the only person who can authorise a telephone tap.
If you want more cops catching criminals would you agree to a change in the law where a Superintendent of a force could authorise it ?
Also, you cannot use anything said on the phone as evidence, ignoring that is stupid, works you agree to that being changed.
Or is it an attack on your civil liberties

 

[mancityvstoke]

And yet numerous officers have been killed in the line of duty, including a former colleague of mine, and even more officers sustaining life altering injuries just going about their job.
Filming and publishing details of officers and their private vehicles is not justified, despite people’s views.
This thread has gone down a predictable route.

I'm not sure it has. We all agree with your posts but there are also issues from the other side of the coin.

It's a debate.

I've never seen details of officers or their addresses.....how do they find personal details from a car registration unless they follow them home which any loon can do.

 

[bert38]

I'm not sure it has. We all agree with your posts but there are also issues from the other side of the coin.

It's a debate.

I've never seen details of officers or ther addresses.....how do they finf personal details froma car registration unless they follow them home which any loon can do.

No, but if you work in a small town it’s quite easy to identify officers from their vehicles and vise versa. It poses a risk to officers.
Every officer has had the ‘I know where you live, I’m going to fuck your missus/mother/sister’ nobody should simply accept that in their place of work.
And morons filming and publishing personal details adds to that risk.

 

[mancityvstoke]

No, but if you work in a small town it’s quite easy to identify officers from their vehicles and vise versa. It poses a risk to officers.
Every officer has had the ‘I know where you live, I’m going to fuck your missus/mother/sister’ nobody should simply accept that in their place of work.

have you any evidence of attacks on officers in a small town from youtube films?

you're beginning to sound like the officers who react to dicks filming. Just ignore them and they go away and no more filming plus saving us all compo money.

The reactions they are getting are making them do it even more.

OR make it illegal.

 

[Phil1]

have you any evidence of attacks on officers in a small town from youtube films?

you're beginning to sound like the officers who react to dicks filming. Just ignore them and they go away and no more filming plus saving us all compo money.

The reactions they are getting are making them do it even more.

OR make it illegal.

My biggest gripe with those auditors is the ones I've watched when they've been approached respectfully or asked politely have all just gone straight to the "it's not illegal to film" route which they know will antagonise.
I suppose one day laws will eventually be introduced to prevent it from happening which ironically will speed up the process of becoming the nanny state the nobheads are worried about in the first place.