Who should be the next leader of the Tory party?

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

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[halfmist]

Define?

Socialism means ownership by the workers.

I support that in some instances and sectors but not all or even the majority. I don't believe in creating a classless society.

I am not an idealogue. I am a left wing social Democrat.

I have never seen that option on the ballot paper.
Have you started your own Party.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I have never seen that option on the ballot paper.
Have you started your own Party.

Inane.

Do you understand that political parties are made up of people of different strands of thoughts?

Only silly people define themselves by the party they vote for nationally every 3-5 years.

 

[halfmist]

Back on topic. None are fit for the job. All are out of their depth, self-serving liars. Their party has shifted so far to the right that, whoever becomes PM, whilst they remain in control with this current majority, things are only going to get worse.

Who ever is in control it’s a safe bet things are going to get worse.
We have no control as a nation what happens beyond our borders.
Within our borders I am afraid we are going to have an every man for himself attitude as regarding wage demands.
The strongest most powerful workers will do well out of it, the rest will have to struggle.
The cake gets no bigger with inflation that’s a fact

 

[halfmist]

Inane.

Do you understand that political parties are made up of people of different strands of thoughts?

Only silly people define themselves by the party they vote for nationally every 3-5 years.

Not within the Labour Party at the moment.
If your trying to tell me the left have seen the light and moved to the centre following the last election it appears they are under strict instructions not to rock the boat.
Unfortunately there isn’t a wish list that we vote for come Election time, we are stuck with Labour or Conservative.

 

[threespires]

It changed from state funded to fee paying whilst he was there.
As I have already said , I have absolutely no problem with his achievements.
I was questioning whether HIS background (what his parents did is irrelevant) was similar to the average working class persons, meaning he could easily relate to them which is what you were suggesting.
Me thinks not.

What your parents did and who they were is highly relevant because it forms your frame of reference for a whole variety of things good and bad.

It can create positive things like empathy and respect for people and their lives even if your own lived experience is different to theirs.

I have a completely different lifestyle and lived experience to the one my mum and dad had but the impact of my upbringing means I think and therefore act quite differently to a lot of the people I now find myself meeting in both work and social circles.

I regularly encounter people who are clueless about how the dice was loaded in their favour and refuse to recognise it because let's face we all like to think we have achieved our nice things on merit. This is often a direct result of an insular view of the world based on their upbringing and what their parents did. They struggle to have empathy for other people's situations because they have no experience of it either direct or indirect.

 

[supercity88]

Good post and no too dissimilar from my position other than it was my father who died at a very early age.
I don’t think it can be disputed that there is parental influence.
Show me the father and I will show you the son. Etc.
But at some stage we all have to be judged as individuals not what we are born in to.
It’s this pigeon hole mentality that I am questioning.
If your a Tory your automatically born in to wealth and privilege yet if your Labour your background and current position is irrelevant even if you mirror someone from the Tory Party.
A blinkered approach.

I think that's true in a lot of cases. But I like to research people I am voting for and make an informed decision. That's very much a rarity though, we're led by headline news and who looks best in a suit most of the time. The context of this discussion is around Starmer, and I do believe he has a better awareness of what life is like for those hard up.

He was named after a founder of the Labour party and will have had quite a biased exposure to politics as a kid. I would imagine that's engrained in him still. My Dad, funnily enough, has voted Conservative before. He saw it as the best vote to protect his position and therefore the future for my siblings and I. If you own a home and have some savings Labour are so easy to sell as a threat. That's where all this argument about who knows what life is really like should be buried...the proof is in the policies they want to introduce. I really don't understand Sunak's economic strategy currently. The government are making a huge windfall from fuel duty and inflation is rising yet he feels like nothing can be done to address the situation. People are going to stop spending and we're heading straight for a recession if he continues. What Labour's policies are...well that's a good question!

 

[Claytop]

What's happened to make Truss suddenly the favourite?...

 

[hilts]

Define?

Socialism means ownership by the workers.

I support that in some instances and sectors but not all or even the majority. I don't believe in creating a classless society.

I am not an idealogue. I am a left wing social Democrat.

If you support it in some instances then you are a socialist. Pretty much everyone is and we live in a socialist country. The term gets somewhat tarnished and frowned upon by those who don't understand it.

 

[waspish]

Prime minister questions time is the most pointless exercise ever never answer the questions!