Why are English managers so garbage?

[Crooked_rain]

Many successful managers cut their teeth before success in tough leagues. In England if you're a big name player like Lampard, you get jobs at a club like Chelsea in Lampards case just because you were a big name player, not because you have put in years of work before hand. A little stint here and there and then expected to do a real job in the premier league, it doesn't work like that.

Pep is quite an exception in that he managed Barca B team for a year before the proper team.

Mourinho had 2 clubs before Porto, then Chelsea was his 4th, not to mention he worked as an assistant under successful managers before that. He had been in around management or assisting for 10 years before ever coming to England.

Klopp was managing 14 years before ever getting to the premier league

Slur Alex, I know he did well in Scotland but he was in management about 12 years before managing in England.

Wenger, 12 years experience before the Premier League

Look at other Premier league winners, Ancelotti, Ranieri, our managers, etc etc all have real experience

The list goes on. You really need experience to manage at top clubs successfully in leagues like the Premier League. Giving jobs like the Chelsea job to Lampard was way too soon. That's not to say he would be a good manager in time, he might just be crap anyway, but I think the vast majority of managers need plenty of experience in management before being at a premier league club competing for trophies.

There could potentially be some good English managers but I don't think it's that easy to get a job at a club with realistic chances of winning things if they only try to manage in England. The clubs winning/monopolising trophies (us) have a foreign manager. When Pep goes, realistically we will probably be looking at a manager from another league that's won trophies, even if its in an easier situation than an English manager that's been competing with Pep and City so won nothing. Someone else will probably get the nod, even though its possible the English manager may have won trophies in another league not competing with us.

That's why it would do more English managers better to go abroad and try to get some decent jobs. If Eddie Howe went over to Portugal and won a few trophies, then I bet he would have a better chance of getting a job at an English club that win things and probably do OK.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Its changing. My sons u9s league , from a goal kick the opposition have to retreat to their own half to allow the defence to play it out rather than have the biggest lad lump it forward.

But … i think available artificial pitches has an effect. I live in a small town of 20,000 people and not one plastic pitch exists. I remember reading somewhere that the number of plastic pitches per person is way higher on the continent than here.
The grass pitches kids have to play on here are a disgrace and make nice football difficult

 

[SWExile]

That's why it would do more English managers better to go abroad and try to get some decent jobs. If Eddie Howe went over to Portugal and won a few trophies, then I bet he would have a better chance of getting a job at an English club that win things and probably do OK.

This^^ Even Steve McLaren looked good at FC Twente

 

[southamptonblue]

Its changing. My sons u9s league , from a goal kick the opposition have to retreat to their own half to allow the defence to play it out rather than have the biggest lad lump it forward.

But … i think available artificial pitches has an effect. I live in a small town of 20,000 people and not one plastic pitch exists. I remember reading somewhere that the number of plastic pitches per person is way higher on the continent than here.
The grass pitches kids have to play on here are a disgrace and make nice football difficult

Yet the apparent reason Brazil were so good years ago, was because they were brought up playing on the beach? Maybe they are crap now, because they use artificial pitches instead? .....just a counter argument ;)

 

[Bluesince1979]

Yet the apparent reason Brazil were so good years ago, was because they were brought up playing on the beach? Maybe they are crap now, because they use artificial pitches instead? .....just a counter argument ;)

Fair do’s. What they arent playing on his swamps though ;)

 

[schfc6]

Liam Rosenior is becoming quite interesting at Hull City. He’s building a decent young team that plays good football and are pinching above their weight. Potter was doing well at Brighton and Howe had a really good start at Newcastle. The last English managers to win the major prizes though were Howard Wilkinson with the league at Leeds and Joe Royle with the cup at Everton. That’s truly shocking.

Always thought he was very insightful as a pundit.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I’ve just been racking my brains and I’m pretty sure that Wilkinson was the last English manager to win a top flight title which means not one has managed a team to win the PL.

 

[johnnytapia]

In two words; Howard Wilkinson.

"Four months after leaving Leeds, in January 1997, Wilkinson was hired by the sport's governing body in England, the Football Association, to act as its Technical Director, overseeing coaching and other training programmes at all levels of the game. Whilst at Leeds, Wilkinson had developed a ten-year plan to create an "English La Masia" at Thorp Arch.[7] In his role with the FA, Wilkinson applied this blueprint on a larger scale to the national game, developing the academy system and persuading the FA to begin the National Football Centre project. Wilkinson based the plans for the National Football Centre on the French system at Clairefontaine which nurtured the 1998 World Cup and 2000 European Championship winners. In 1997 Wilkinson published the Charter for Quality which was the basis for which all English academies were to train future stars"

Not only was the football his teams played extremely dour but he was the buffoon who sold Cantona to united for £1m.

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So dour he won the league. Buffoon.
Revisionist bollocks at its best.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

Triffic football

All about winning knock downs and the second ball - with a big and a little striker !

 

[simmo]

Lack of options. Only got to look at England national team to see the managers during the premier league era.

Most of them got the job as there was no one else. Only Venables was any good in last 30 years or more and he managed Barcelona as well. Southgate done little as a club manager but is a safe option.