chestervegasblue said:
pominoz said:
The sync is out a bit,but so beautifully put..
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_z58snmZss[/youtube]
In the same way that Christopher has a belief that these things could not have happened, I have a belief that the virgin birth and the resurrection did happen, and that the other resurrections in Matthew could have happened as well.
You believe that these things could have happened because you believe in the Christian God.
However, you believe in the Christian God because you believe that these things happened.
Circular reasoning.
chestervegasblue said:
I'm a self-confessed Christian. I work for a church, but even if I died and nothing happened, I'd still be content because I know that the foundation of my life was based around having faith and trust in something good.
You can all quote individual passages at me about the "God of the Old Testament" being a tyrannical maniac, but when I look at the Bible as a whole, I cannot help but see God's unfailing love for his people. That's what I have faith in.
God is all knowing/all powerful
God creates humans.
Humans are flawed.
God commands that Humans reach a standard that they are incapable of.
God damns humans because they are incapable of reaching his standards.
God dangles a "life preserver" (aka Jesus) over said humans (who are drowning in their sinful nature)
God commands that all humans must believe in Jesus in order to be saved from damnation
God leaves only a book (and a book that is no different or special compared to other scripture already in existence), written, edited, compiled and translated by flawed humans over many generations in a remote & largely illiterate region of the ME, to let everyone know of his existence, actions and commands.
To top it off he had created humans with a brain that inherently uses reason and learns via empiricism etc. and yet the only way to avert oneself from "eternal fire" is to fight against it in favour of credulity.
And God knew all this before he began.
"love" you say?
On the OT (not that there aren't evil things in the NT), if the Christian subscribes to the notion that Jesus is God, as many do, then Jesus was the "tyrannical maniac" of the OT. Global Genocide (via flood), wiping out different tribes, killing Egyptian newborns, Slavery, the book of Job, Hell etc. etc. etc. kind of leaves "do unto others" and "love thy enemies" looking extremely hollow.
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philinho said:
nashark said:
Noah's ark and the flood from Genesis 6, also I understand that there's plenty of scientific evidence that this occurred too, the fossils thing being just one, I'm no expert though...
*sigh* (and that goes for most of your other posts in here)
Sorry but I just don't have the willpower to correct you. I fear I'd be wasting my time.