Why have we so many good players not playing well?

Confidence cannot be bought. Nor can it just be turned on when required.

Jimmy Grimble was obviously a fairy tale, but the message was real. Without confidence and self belief, form will suffer.

There have been too many uncetainties at City for too long. It's time somebody made it absolutely clear that the manager stays for at least the next 3 seasons. Only then will you see the players begin to settle down and develop some consistent confidence and belief.
 
mammutly said:
Confidence cannot be bought. Nor can it just be turned on when required.

Jimmy Grimble was obviously a fairy tale, but the message was real. Without confidence and self belief, form will suffer.

There have been too many uncetainties at City for too long. It's time somebody made it absolutely clear that the manager stays for at least the next 3 seasons. Only then will you see the players begin to settle down and develop some consistent confidence and belief.

perhaps its the lem-sip but I agree with every word
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Amidst the discussion about which players are up to it and which players are not, I think there's something which is getting a little overlooked.

All season, as a club, we have had too many good players not playing well. I think we have a more talented squad than many City fans think. A good player does not become a bad player overnight unless they recieve a serious injury which affects their performance.

I think all of these players would feel that they have performed below what they would have hoped, taking the season so far into account:

SWP - been below par all season for us, much better for England
Barry - more bad games than good, not for England though
Adebayor - let's be honest, when he's been here, he's been patchy
Ireland - has grossly underperformed
Richards - has been better than last season but surely can do better
Toure - he can't be as bad as he's looked with the Arsenal experience he's had

Lots of the others have had a good number of bad games too . Last night Kompany was below par, De Jong was, Toure was, Bellamy struggled, Barry's delivery was poor, RSC did nothing, Richards made errors.

There can be lots of factors for this but I do feel it has been a consistent problem all year. Why do we think it is? Uncertainty? New players? Changes behind the scenes? Lack of motivation? All of these? None of these?

If we can get this right quick we've cracked it, I think.

you're problem lies with false belief that some of your players are better than they are

or that they care more than they really do

All these mercenary players are at City for one reason.. $$$$$$$$$

they care nothing for your club

if similar offers were on the table elsewhere at the likes of the Sky top 4 or elsewhere in Europe, it would be bye bye.

that's where they want to be. They sign initially for the money. They are happy for a while, but then after 3 - 6 months later when they realise they are not going to win shit, they lose interest and dream of being somewhere else. This shows on the field.

you can say what you want, but the proof is on the football field

Other than Tevez and Given, I couldn't say City have made one other really worthwhile signing with all their cash. The rest are their for the easy money. Just because you spunk away 30m on players doesn't make them world class, it just means that you were seen coming.

If Adebayor was worth keeping, then Wenger would have kept him. And he certainly wouldn't have sold him to another premier league club.

It's not about going out and spunking money about the place. The more you keep doing that, the more you'll keep attracting every mercenary pay day seeking couldn't care less footballers that are out there.

It's a learning curve, the same that Chelsea had to go through when they made some costly mistakes. It'll be interesting to see what Mancini does come this summer and what his focus will be, the type of players he wants.

If Moyes had 10-20% of City's transfer budget, he'd do a infinitely better job than City have done so far. (But Moyes had to make his own mistakes as well when he was given large sums by Everton standards, Beattie, AJ etc, so it is a learning curve)

City will need to settle down and keep Mancini for at least three years. Let him put his stamp on things. Otherwise it will be successive managers spending big cash, each attempting to build the squad they want but not getting enough time to do so, and ultimately the owners will get bored of managers spunking their cash all over the place and piss off.
 
sld said:
Didsbury Dave said:
Amidst the discussion about which players are up to it and which players are not, I think there's something which is getting a little overlooked.

All season, as a club, we have had too many good players not playing well. I think we have a more talented squad than many City fans think. A good player does not become a bad player overnight unless they recieve a serious injury which affects their performance.

I think all of these players would feel that they have performed below what they would have hoped, taking the season so far into account:

SWP - been below par all season for us, much better for England
Barry - more bad games than good, not for England though
Adebayor - let's be honest, when he's been here, he's been patchy
Ireland - has grossly underperformed
Richards - has been better than last season but surely can do better
Toure - he can't be as bad as he's looked with the Arsenal experience he's had

Lots of the others have had a good number of bad games too . Last night Kompany was below par, De Jong was, Toure was, Bellamy struggled, Barry's delivery was poor, RSC did nothing, Richards made errors.

There can be lots of factors for this but I do feel it has been a consistent problem all year. Why do we think it is? Uncertainty? New players? Changes behind the scenes? Lack of motivation? All of these? None of these?

If we can get this right quick we've cracked it, I think.

you're problem lies with false belief that some of your players are better than they are

or that they care more than they really do

All these mercenary players are at City for one reason.. $$$$$$$$$

they care nothing for your club

if similar offers were on the table elsewhere at the likes of the Sky top 4 or elsewhere in Europe, it would be bye bye.

that's where they want to be. They sign initially for the money. They are happy for a while, but then after 3 - 6 months later when they realise they are not going to win shit, they lose interest and dream of being somewhere else. This shows on the field.

you can say what you want, but the proof is on the football field

Other than Tevez and Given, I couldn't say City have made one other really worthwhile signing with all their cash. The rest are their for the easy money. Just because you spunk away 30m on players doesn't make them world class, it just means that you were seen coming.

If Adebayor was worth keeping, then Wenger would have kept him. And he certainly wouldn't have sold him to another premier league club.

It's not about going out and spunking money about the place. The more you keep doing that, the more you'll keep attracting every mercenary pay day seeking couldn't care less footballers that are out there.

It's a learning curve, the same that Chelsea had to go through when they made some costly mistakes. It'll be interesting to see what Mancini does come this summer and what his focus will be, the type of players he wants.

If Moyes had 10-20% of City's transfer budget, he'd do a infinitely better job than City have done so far. (But Moyes had to make his own mistakes as well when he was given large sums by Everton standards, Beattie, AJ etc, so it is a learning curve)

City will need to settle down and keep Mancini for at least three years. Let him put his stamp on things. Otherwise it will be successive managers spending big cash, each attempting to build the squad they want but not getting enough time to do so, and ultimately the owners will get bored of managers spunking their cash all over the place and piss off.
DOG SHIT
 
JULES said:
sld said:
you're problem lies with false belief that some of your players are better than they are

or that they care more than they really do

All these mercenary players are at City for one reason.. $$$$$$$$$

they care nothing for your club

if similar offers were on the table elsewhere at the likes of the Sky top 4 or elsewhere in Europe, it would be bye bye.

that's where they want to be. They sign initially for the money. They are happy for a while, but then after 3 - 6 months later when they realise they are not going to win shit, they lose interest and dream of being somewhere else. This shows on the field.

you can say what you want, but the proof is on the football field

Other than Tevez and Given, I couldn't say City have made one other really worthwhile signing with all their cash. The rest are their for the easy money. Just because you spunk away 30m on players doesn't make them world class, it just means that you were seen coming.

If Adebayor was worth keeping, then Wenger would have kept him. And he certainly wouldn't have sold him to another premier league club.

It's not about going out and spunking money about the place. The more you keep doing that, the more you'll keep attracting every mercenary pay day seeking couldn't care less footballers that are out there.

It's a learning curve, the same that Chelsea had to go through when they made some costly mistakes. It'll be interesting to see what Mancini does come this summer and what his focus will be, the type of players he wants.

If Moyes had 10-20% of City's transfer budget, he'd do a infinitely better job than City have done so far. (But Moyes had to make his own mistakes as well when he was given large sums by Everton standards, Beattie, AJ etc, so it is a learning curve)

City will need to settle down and keep Mancini for at least three years. Let him put his stamp on things. Otherwise it will be successive managers spending big cash, each attempting to build the squad they want but not getting enough time to do so, and ultimately the owners will get bored of managers spunking their cash all over the place and piss off.
DOG SHIT

imbecile
 
sld said:
Didsbury Dave said:
Amidst the discussion about which players are up to it and which players are not, I think there's something which is getting a little overlooked.

All season, as a club, we have had too many good players not playing well. I think we have a more talented squad than many City fans think. A good player does not become a bad player overnight unless they recieve a serious injury which affects their performance.

I think all of these players would feel that they have performed below what they would have hoped, taking the season so far into account:

SWP - been below par all season for us, much better for England
Barry - more bad games than good, not for England though
Adebayor - let's be honest, when he's been here, he's been patchy
Ireland - has grossly underperformed
Richards - has been better than last season but surely can do better
Toure - he can't be as bad as he's looked with the Arsenal experience he's had

Lots of the others have had a good number of bad games too . Last night Kompany was below par, De Jong was, Toure was, Bellamy struggled, Barry's delivery was poor, RSC did nothing, Richards made errors.

There can be lots of factors for this but I do feel it has been a consistent problem all year. Why do we think it is? Uncertainty? New players? Changes behind the scenes? Lack of motivation? All of these? None of these?

If we can get this right quick we've cracked it, I think.

you're problem lies with false belief that some of your players are better than they are

or that they care more than they really do

All these mercenary players are at City for one reason.. $$$$$$$$$

they care nothing for your club

if similar offers were on the table elsewhere at the likes of the Sky top 4 or elsewhere in Europe, it would be bye bye.

that's where they want to be. They sign initially for the money. They are happy for a while, but then after 3 - 6 months later when they realise they are not going to win shit, they lose interest and dream of being somewhere else. This shows on the field.

you can say what you want, but the proof is on the football field

Other than Tevez and Given, I couldn't say City have made one other really worthwhile signing with all their cash. The rest are their for the easy money. Just because you spunk away 30m on players doesn't make them world class, it just means that you were seen coming.

If Adebayor was worth keeping, then Wenger would have kept him. And he certainly wouldn't have sold him to another premier league club.

It's not about going out and spunking money about the place. The more you keep doing that, the more you'll keep attracting every mercenary pay day seeking couldn't care less footballers that are out there.

It's a learning curve, the same that Chelsea had to go through when they made some costly mistakes. It'll be interesting to see what Mancini does come this summer and what his focus will be, the type of players he wants.

If Moyes had 10-20% of City's transfer budget, he'd do a infinitely better job than City have done so far. (But Moyes had to make his own mistakes as well when he was given large sums by Everton standards, Beattie, AJ etc, so it is a learning curve)

City will need to settle down and keep Mancini for at least three years. Let him put his stamp on things. Otherwise it will be successive managers spending big cash, each attempting to build the squad they want but not getting enough time to do so, and ultimately the owners will get bored of managers spunking their cash all over the place and piss off.

All the players at city are here for one reason and thats for the money you say? Whats the difference with City and say your club? Are Arteta, Cahill, Yobo, Distin etc at your club because they love Everton or are they there because you offered them a good wage? You're kidding yourself if you think say Cahill cares more about Everton than Bellamy does about City. I don't see what you're getting at in reply to Dave's original post
 
sld said:
or that they care more than they really do

All these mercenary players are at City for one reason.. $$$$$$$$$

they care nothing for your club

if similar offers were on the table elsewhere at the likes of the Sky top 4 or elsewhere in Europe, it would be bye bye.

that's where they want to be. They sign initially for the money. They are happy for a while, but then after 3 - 6 months later when they realise they are not going to win shit, they lose interest and dream of being somewhere else. This shows on the field.

If Bilyaletdinov (£9m), Distin (£5m), Fellaini (£13m), Yakubu (£11m) etc etc etc were offered the same package by Sky 4 clubs they would have taken them as well. Don't know why you Toffees are trying to make out that what we're doing is something different than what has happened at football clubs all over the world.

Unless of course they all joined for the silverware that Everton have won over the Moyes era.

If Moyes had 10-20% of City's transfer budget, he'd do a infinitely better job than City have done so far. (But Moyes had to make his own mistakes as well when he was given large sums by Everton standards, Beattie, AJ etc, so it is a learning curve)

Moyes has easily had 10-20% of City's transfer budget, for some time he actually had more than City's transfer budget but you don't seem to want to mention that too often.
 
sld said:
Didsbury Dave said:
Amidst the discussion about which players are up to it and which players are not, I think there's something which is getting a little overlooked.

All season, as a club, we have had too many good players not playing well. I think we have a more talented squad than many City fans think. A good player does not become a bad player overnight unless they recieve a serious injury which affects their performance.

I think all of these players would feel that they have performed below what they would have hoped, taking the season so far into account:

SWP - been below par all season for us, much better for England
Barry - more bad games than good, not for England though
Adebayor - let's be honest, when he's been here, he's been patchy
Ireland - has grossly underperformed
Richards - has been better than last season but surely can do better
Toure - he can't be as bad as he's looked with the Arsenal experience he's had

Lots of the others have had a good number of bad games too . Last night Kompany was below par, De Jong was, Toure was, Bellamy struggled, Barry's delivery was poor, RSC did nothing, Richards made errors.

There can be lots of factors for this but I do feel it has been a consistent problem all year. Why do we think it is? Uncertainty? New players? Changes behind the scenes? Lack of motivation? All of these? None of these?

If we can get this right quick we've cracked it, I think.

you're problem lies with false belief that some of your players are better than they are

or that they care more than they really do

All these mercenary players are at City for one reason.. $$$$$$$$$

they care nothing for your club

if similar offers were on the table elsewhere at the likes of the Sky top 4 or elsewhere in Europe, it would be bye bye.

that's where they want to be. They sign initially for the money. They are happy for a while, but then after 3 - 6 months later when they realise they are not going to win shit, they lose interest and dream of being somewhere else. This shows on the field.

you can say what you want, but the proof is on the football field

Other than Tevez and Given, I couldn't say City have made one other really worthwhile signing with all their cash. The rest are their for the easy money. Just because you spunk away 30m on players doesn't make them world class, it just means that you were seen coming.

If Adebayor was worth keeping, then Wenger would have kept him. And he certainly wouldn't have sold him to another premier league club.

It's not about going out and spunking money about the place. The more you keep doing that, the more you'll keep attracting every mercenary pay day seeking couldn't care less footballers that are out there.

It's a learning curve, the same that Chelsea had to go through when they made some costly mistakes. It'll be interesting to see what Mancini does come this summer and what his focus will be, the type of players he wants.

If Moyes had 10-20% of City's transfer budget, he'd do a infinitely better job than City have done so far. (But Moyes had to make his own mistakes as well when he was given large sums by Everton standards, Beattie, AJ etc, so it is a learning curve)

City will need to settle down and keep Mancini for at least three years. Let him put his stamp on things. Otherwise it will be successive managers spending big cash, each attempting to build the squad they want but not getting enough time to do so, and ultimately the owners will get bored of managers spunking their cash all over the place and piss off.


Absolutely stupid view.

Do you think all your players are there for the love of Everton? Or the money?

You even had one of your own... once a Blue, always a Blue (remember him?)... couldn't wait to get to the swamp and kiss his badge. Is he a mercenarey?

And Phil Neville... don't you think he still loves the rags more than he loves you lot? He only signed for you 'cos he couldn't get a game at OT... as was the case with Tim Howard and Louis Saha (all rags I notice!).

Do you seriously believe any of your players wouldn't jump ship if they were offered big money? Lescott did... and you all loved him as well!

Argue your point about Moyes and Everton by all means, but spare us the shit about our players all being "mercenaries".

You had ONE home grown player in your starting line-up on Wednesday... we had more!

You make yourself look foolish by quoting money reasons, given your history as being one of football's biggest ever spenders.

Or are you too young to remember that?
 
Soulboy said:
sld said:
you're problem lies with false belief that some of your players are better than they are

or that they care more than they really do

All these mercenary players are at City for one reason.. $$$$$$$$$

they care nothing for your club

if similar offers were on the table elsewhere at the likes of the Sky top 4 or elsewhere in Europe, it would be bye bye.

that's where they want to be. They sign initially for the money. They are happy for a while, but then after 3 - 6 months later when they realise they are not going to win shit, they lose interest and dream of being somewhere else. This shows on the field.

you can say what you want, but the proof is on the football field

Other than Tevez and Given, I couldn't say City have made one other really worthwhile signing with all their cash. The rest are their for the easy money. Just because you spunk away 30m on players doesn't make them world class, it just means that you were seen coming.

If Adebayor was worth keeping, then Wenger would have kept him. And he certainly wouldn't have sold him to another premier league club.

It's not about going out and spunking money about the place. The more you keep doing that, the more you'll keep attracting every mercenary pay day seeking couldn't care less footballers that are out there.

It's a learning curve, the same that Chelsea had to go through when they made some costly mistakes. It'll be interesting to see what Mancini does come this summer and what his focus will be, the type of players he wants.

If Moyes had 10-20% of City's transfer budget, he'd do a infinitely better job than City have done so far. (But Moyes had to make his own mistakes as well when he was given large sums by Everton standards, Beattie, AJ etc, so it is a learning curve)

City will need to settle down and keep Mancini for at least three years. Let him put his stamp on things. Otherwise it will be successive managers spending big cash, each attempting to build the squad they want but not getting enough time to do so, and ultimately the owners will get bored of managers spunking their cash all over the place and piss off.


Absolutely stupid view.

Do you think all your players are there for the love of Everton? Or the money?

You even had one of your own... once a Blue, always a Blue (remember him?)... couldn't wait to get to the swamp and kiss his badge. Is he a mercenarey?

And Phil Neville... don't you think he still loves the rags more than he loves you lot? He only signed for you 'cos he couldn't get a game at OT... as was the case with Tim Howard and Louis Saha (all rags I notice!).

Do you seriously believe any of your players wouldn't jump ship if they were offered big money? Lescott did... and you all loved him as well!

Argue your point about Moyes and Everton by all means, but spare us the shit about our players all being "mercenaries".

You had ONE home grown player in your starting line-up on Wednesday... we had more!

You make yourself look foolish by quoting money reasons, given your history as being one of football's biggest ever spenders.

Or are you too young to remember that?

yeah we were football's first millionaires

but we were pretty much the established top club in England at the time and had been for years, so it kind of comes with the territory

you lot haven't won fucking anything for over thirty years spending a large chunk in the lower leagues

there isn't even a comparison you numptie
 
sld said:
[
but we were pretty much the established top club in England at the time and had been for years,

bwahahahahahahahahaha

funniest thing I've ever read on the internet

hahahahahahahhahahahaha

Fucking hell, seen it all now
 
sld said:
Soulboy said:
Absolutely stupid view.

Do you think all your players are there for the love of Everton? Or the money?

You even had one of your own... once a Blue, always a Blue (remember him?)... couldn't wait to get to the swamp and kiss his badge. Is he a mercenarey?

And Phil Neville... don't you think he still loves the rags more than he loves you lot? He only signed for you 'cos he couldn't get a game at OT... as was the case with Tim Howard and Louis Saha (all rags I notice!).

Do you seriously believe any of your players wouldn't jump ship if they were offered big money? Lescott did... and you all loved him as well!

Argue your point about Moyes and Everton by all means, but spare us the shit about our players all being "mercenaries".

You had ONE home grown player in your starting line-up on Wednesday... we had more!

You make yourself look foolish by quoting money reasons, given your history as being one of football's biggest ever spenders.

Or are you too young to remember that?

yeah we were football's first millionaires

but we were pretty much the established top club in England at the time and had been for years, so it kind of comes with the territory

you lot haven't won fucking anything for over thirty years spending a large chunk in the lower leagues

there isn't even a comparison you numptie


You were the established top club? When?

You were financed from the 1960's from Littlewood's pools... which gave you an unfair advantage surely?

I mean, a large investor backing a football club... that's so unfair isn't it?

Fucking hypocrite.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
sld said:
[
but we were pretty much the established top club in England at the time and had been for years,

bwahahahahahahahahaha

funniest thing I've ever read on the internet

hahahahahahahhahahahaha

Fucking hell, seen it all now

right

go play with lego
 
I'll quote back the song you pinched from Celtic..

".. and if you knew your history..."

You have been financed by private money for over 40 years. You all benefitted from it at the time.

So we are just getting the same break you lot did.

That's fair isn't it?

Or is your envy too bitter to realise that?

Read up on transfer deals over the past 50 years and you'll find that you've spent more than us, and more than most.

At least our attendances paid for our investments in the past, you obviously can't use that argument with your support!
 
Wrighty Wrexham said:
Yeah Soulboy go and build a new stadium for Everton to share with Liverpool with that Lego mate!!!

not a bad idea that mate

that's about as close as we'll get to a new stadium
 
Soulboy said:
The Fat el Hombre said:
And another thread turns into an argument with a little scouse scrote

Mods need to sort this out it's ruining the site.


Agreed.

Also agreed. I used to like Everton. I've now realised that they are a pretty poisonous, jealous club.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You can't put so many new players in a team and expect them to gel and confidence breeds confidence.

Plus neither manager we've had quite has the gift of making the whole greater than the sum of the parts, like Moyes, Hodgson or Ferguson does.

I thank that this is the key - it is not often that I agree with the commentators - who seem to have a strong anti-city bias - but a few of them have commented that Teams like Everton and Fulham "box above their weight" because they play well as a team and gel well, despite not having many individual superstars (Bobby Zamora for England, LOL!)

Many of City's goals come from individual brilliance rather than good teamwork.

The top teams - Barca and co - do both - work well together as a team, but also have the Messis's and Tevezes in the team that can create a little bit of magic.

Is it not also about combinations? Tevez and Bellamy seem to be a great combination. Tevez and ade? Not so sure.

Ireland and Robinho last season were a great combination.

We need two or three new players in key positions, and an injury-free run then we can seriously challenge for top honours next season.
 

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