Why PC gaming

The problem I have with PC gaming apart from not having anywhere to actually put a PC is the cost of building a machine that is capable of running the top games properly. I mean looking at well over £2000 plus future add ons. The serious lads add liquid cooling systems and all sorts of stuff.
I generally agree with you Skash its just an expensive habit
 
PC gaming is a niche market The consoles market is worth billions of dollars. Where to you see the gaming publishers looking for future improvements?
 
not enough games developed just for pc. Console money drives game development.


Saying that im not bothering with the new consoles its pcs all the way
 
Great post, nice to see some other likeminded PC Master Race users on here ;) In all seriousness, I've not played a game on my PC since I moved as I've not been able to set it up anywhere. I've only recently discovered Skyrim (on the 360) and it's been a breath of fresh air from my usual gaming repertoire.

BoyBlue_1985 said:
The problem I have with PC gaming apart from not having anywhere to actually put a PC is the cost of building a machine that is capable of running the top games properly. I mean looking at well over £2000 plus future add ons. The serious lads add liquid cooling systems and all sorts of stuff.
I generally agree with you Skash its just an expensive habit

Not at all mate. And the future add ons you cite is an advantage, not a curse. I've had the same core components for years now, and have been able to just eek more and more out of it with better graphics cards, bit more ram, bit more hard disk space, etc. I'm at the end now, but even if I get around to building another it won't be anywhere near £2k. Much closer to half that for something that will still blow away a 360.

It should be considered that when a console is first released it's pretty much the best time to compare it to a PC, as it's when the PC has the least advantage of more frequent hardware releases, and the console is a big step up from it's predecessor. If we were having this discussion 6 months ago, a moderate spec PC was so far ahead of a 360 or PS3. Consoles get to claw back the gap once every few years. PC's are doing that every minute Intel or AMD release a better CPU or motherboard chipset, Nvidia release a better graphics card, etc. You can get multiple improvements in the average console life cycle depending on your needs/wants and budget.

Something like Skyrim is a good example actually. I'm really enjoying it on the 360. It translates fairly well to a controller (better on Mouse+KB but not so much like FPS games). I can veg out on my sofa and use my big TV and home cinema system. It's all in all a nice experience.

Unfortunately it's the game that's the weak link, or rather, the consoles interpretation of it. Firstly there are plenty of bits where the console clearly doesn't have enough grunt, and the frame rate drops. I don't mean from 60 to 50, I mean well below 30. If you've only ever played on console it may not bother you too much, but once you've played at 60FPS+ and are used to it, dips below 30 are very noticeable. Secondly, Skyrim has a huge modding community (like many PC games), that have sent it well above and beyond the developers original vision, and allowed it to scale with the increasing power of desktop computers. A fully modded Skyrim is now pretty much like playing a new game. This opens up the avenue of getting excellent value for money from your games, which are not only usually cheaper to start with, but have a life beyond the grave, so to speak.

I'm now trailing what Challenger1978 suggested earlier, hooking my PC up to the TV. Primarily as a very overpowered HTPC, but I'll be giving it a whirl with a wireless mouse and keyboard (or just the 360 controller as it works seamlessly with windows) for some gaming on the TV.

Heed Skashion's advice above about the time to buy as well. Just like consoles. You wouldn't have bought a 360 last month. Takes a little bit longer to get your head around what's around the corner and why you should be bothered, but if in doubt just ask here.
 
I like first person shooters and think playin them on pc pisses over consoles due to how much better they are to control, like using the mouse to look around a aim and also how you select which weapon you want using the number keys rather than skipping through all your weapons until you have the one you want .also, management games are better on the pc but football sims are shit unless you have a good controle pad .

The thing with pcs is that they're always goin to push ahead of consoles due to the fact they can be upgraded with new graphics cards ect . In my experience, this can also be a massive downside . I got pissed off buying games that would crash or simply not run on my pc, so in the end I went back to consoles as you can garentee the game will run smoothly .
Also forgot to mention the slide show frame rates you get with a pc if you dont keep on top of it .
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
The problem I have with PC gaming apart from not having anywhere to actually put a PC is the cost of building a machine that is capable of running the top games properly. I mean looking at well over £2000 plus future add ons. The serious lads add liquid cooling systems and all sorts of stuff.
I generally agree with you Skash its just an expensive habit
If you want a monster, yes, you can pay that. You can pay practically anything you want. Give me no more than £600 though and I could give you a machine that will best a PS4 quite happily. GTX 760 plus an i5, 8 GB of RAM. Yep, that'll have the beating of a PS4. In fact, I think I could scrap the i5 and get an i3-4130 and have a budget of just slightly over £500. £525 I'll say. If you're still the type that uses a PC, and I am, and I won't be changing any time soon for a tablet, it is actually more cost effective to build it with gaming in mind than buy a console.<br /><br />-- Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:22 am --<br /><br />
Esteban de la Sexface said:
PC gaming is a niche market The consoles market is worth billions of dollars. Where to you see the gaming publishers looking for future improvements?
Wrong time to be saying this. The PC market is looking healthy at the moment, numerous games developers saying they've been developing for PCs in order to prepare for the next-gen consoles, and both the PS4 and Xbox One are now effectively using PC architecture which is going to make porting much easier. Good times for PC gaming. PC gaming isn't anywhere as niche as you think.
 
I used to love playing Cod with 15 other players until i found you could play with thousands on games like Warcraft etc, console gaming bores the life out of me now.
 
Aguero_Element said:
not enough games developed just for pc. Console money drives game development.


Saying that im not bothering with the new consoles its pcs all the way
There aren't aren't that many games developed for any one console these days. Platform exclusives are dying a death. Developers want them on all platforms to maximise their profits. I can't think of many games from the last gen that were on both the PS3 and Xbox but not PC. Red Dead Redemption is the stand out, I can't think of any other case where I've felt deprived as PC user. The main issue for us is waiting for the ports. That should be much less of an issue now that PS4's and Xbox One's are now using PC architecture.
 
Fucking hell, some of the posts on here might as well be written in Latin for me (although, thanks to Private Eye, I have a very, very, very basic grasp of it).

My gaming expertise stretches to Manic Miner.......but it was a great game all the same.
 
malg said:
Fucking hell, some of the posts on here might as well be written in Latin for me (although, thanks to Private Eye, I have a very, very, very basic grasp of it).

My gaming expertise stretches to Manic Miner.......but it was a great game all the same.

I play Manic Miner on my PC :-)
 
I remember playing PES from 2006 or something on PC, I was given a playstation type controller for it.

The graphics were insane and about 3 years ahead of the 360, PS3 version.

Can you play Fifa 14 on a laptop? if so then I'm buying a controller as well. It is well better.
 
yup just built this beast :0

haswell i5-4670k cpu with corsair water cooling
16gb ddr3 2666mhz vengeance ram
gigabyte Z87X motherboard
asus radeon R9 280x OC direct CU11 3.2g @ 6400mhz GPU
850w inverter PSU
AOC 24" 144mhz 1080p HD monitor

my old system kicked arse tbh and still plays BF4, but i wanted the full on ULTRA HD experience


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ban-mcfc said:
I remember playing PES from 2006 or something on PC, I was given a playstation type controller for it.

The graphics were insane and about 3 years ahead of the 360, PS3 version.

Can you play Fifa 14 on a laptop? if so then I'm buying a controller as well. It is well better.
You'll get no joy out of FIFA 14 on a PC. The graphics won't be better. In fact, they won't touch the PS4 and Xbox One versions. It's on a par with the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions.<br /><br />-- Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:36 am --<br /><br />
shadygiz said:
yup just built this beast :0

haswell i5-4670k cpu with corsair water cooling
16gb ddr3 2666mhz vengeance ram
gigabyte Z87X motherboard
asus radeon R9 280x OC direct CU11 3.2g @ 6400mhz GPU
850w inverter PSU
AOC 24" 144mhz 1080p HD monitor

my old system kicked arse tbh and still plays BF4, but i wanted the full on ULTRA HD experience
Budget? Minus the monitor.
 
Skashion said:
ban-mcfc said:
I remember playing PES from 2006 or something on PC, I was given a playstation type controller for it.

The graphics were insane and about 3 years ahead of the 360, PS3 version.

Can you play Fifa 14 on a laptop? if so then I'm buying a controller as well. It is well better.
You'll get no joy out of FIFA 14 on a PC. The graphics won't be better. In fact, they won't touch the PS4 and Xbox One versions. It's on a par with the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions.

-- Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:36 am --

shadygiz said:
yup just built this beast :0

haswell i5-4670k cpu with corsair water cooling
16gb ddr3 2666mhz vengeance ram
gigabyte Z87X motherboard
asus radeon R9 280x OC direct CU11 3.2g @ 6400mhz GPU
850w inverter PSU
AOC 24" 144mhz 1080p HD monitor

my old system kicked arse tbh and still plays BF4, but i wanted the full on ULTRA HD experience
Budget? Minus the monitor.


got everything from aria in manchester mate


haswell CPU - £150
Corsair water cooler - £60
Gigabyte Z87 motherboard - £130
16gb Corsair vengeance DDR3 2666 ram - £200
Asus R9 280x OC GPU - £250
XFX 850W inverter PSU - £80


my old system was: -

I4 quad core Q9300 CPU
MSI socket 775 motherboard
8gb corsair ddr3 1666 ram
msi GTX560TI OC GPU
650w I-green PSU
 
I remember having to learn keyboard and mouse controls, which was hard since i had always been a nintendo gamer as a kid.
That said after 3-4min it felt natural and cod baddies were getting thwocked in the head at an alarming rate.
 
shadygiz said:
got everything from aria in manchester mate

haswell CPU - £150
Corsair water cooler - £60
Gigabyte Z87 motherboard - £130
16gb Corsair vengeance DDR3 2666 ram - £200
Asus R9 280x OC GPU - £250
XFX 850W inverter PSU - £80


my old system was: -

I4 quad core Q9300 CPU
MSI socket 775 motherboard
8gb corsair ddr3 1666 ram
msi GTX560TI OC GPU
650w I-green PSU
I'm waiting for DDR4 for a lock, stock and barrel upgrade. Might get a GTX 760 in the meantime though.

Never used Aria but always hear good things. I tend to buy off Ebuyer or Lambdatek. I've also bought the odd thing from Scan in Bolton as they offer installation insurance. I must admit I once fucked the pins on a CPU when installing a fan...
 
Skashion said:
shadygiz said:
got everything from aria in manchester mate

haswell CPU - £150
Corsair water cooler - £60
Gigabyte Z87 motherboard - £130
16gb Corsair vengeance DDR3 2666 ram - £200
Asus R9 280x OC GPU - £250
XFX 850W inverter PSU - £80


my old system was: -

I4 quad core Q9300 CPU
MSI socket 775 motherboard
8gb corsair ddr3 1666 ram
msi GTX560TI OC GPU
650w I-green PSU
I'm waiting for DDR4 for a lock, stock and barrel upgrade. Might get a GTX 760 in the meantime though.

Never used Aria but always hear good things. I tend to buy off Ebuyer or Lambdatek. I've also bought the odd thing from Scan in Bolton as they offer installation insurance. I must admit I once fucked the pins on a CPU when installing a fan...


yeah i use scan BF4 servers a lot, recently applied for admin on them

aria have served me well tbf mate, always good prices and discounts

e.g. when i came to do my build recently i looked at various R9 280x cards and i ordered the Asus R9 280x OC Direct CUII card, it was £290 and was on a 4 week delivery. due to delivery time, I decided to change my order to an MSI R9 280X card and it was £245 and in stock in 2 weeks time.

Anyway, when the 2 weeks came, aria rang me and said they had a delay with the MSI card i ordered, but they did have the Asus R9 280X OC card in that i originally wanted. They did me a deal and sold me the top end asus card for the same price as the MSI card (£245).

i used to use spot on computers years ago in manchester, but they went bump.


i will add if anyone is looking to get the R9 280 or 290 series cards, they run really REALLY hot and you need a large enough case to get some airflow through the case.

the card is also huge @ 300w x 150h x 50 deep and requires 2 x power supplies
 
SuperMario's Fireworks. said:
Guys could 300 build me a good pc? My laptop isn't great for running games on so I want to upgrade
It's all relative. What's good to you, isn't good to me. What do you need to be able to do with it? What games do you want to run at what resolutions?

Whatever the scenario, your best bet with that budget will be to use an AMD Kaveri processor when they are released. If you're used to 'gaming' on a laptop, they will be a huge upgrade.
 

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