Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[Davs 19]

The Guardian says tonight his job is not under any immediate threat at all and there is a degree of understanding from Khaldoon. But does say there is added pressure to win the league now.

Oh, good news, the Guardian has spoken.

Honestly how the **** would they know what is going on in the minds of our Chairman and owner. First, I don't doubt for one nanosecond that they haven't actually spoken to either of them.

And second, had they done so (although we know they didn't), Khaldoon or Mansour are hardly likely to have said to the Guardian "we are going to sack him in January, but don't tell anyone. We trust you because you are a national newspaper".

Of course they would have said Mancini has their backing. Although, like I said, the conversation likely never took place anyway.

What a total waste if time of an article.

Leave it till tomorrow chippy when the decent posters are back ;-)

Ah ! You're having a day off tomorrow...........thanks for the heads up.

 

[Danielmanc]

The Guardian says tonight his job is not under any immediate threat at all and there is a degree of understanding from Khaldoon. But does say there is added pressure to win the league now.

Oh, good news, the Guardian has spoken.

Honestly how the **** would they know what is going on in the minds of our Chairman and owner. First, I don't doubt for one nanosecond that they haven't actually spoken to either of them.

And second, had they done so (although we know they didn't), Khaldoon or Mansour are hardly likely to have said to the Guardian "we are going to sack him in January, but don't tell anyone. We trust you because you are a national newspaper".

Of course they would have said Mancini has their backing. Although, like I said, the conversation likely never took place anyway.

What a total waste if time of an article.

Leave it till tomorrow chippy when the decent posters are back ;-)

Translation: Wait until tomorrow chippy when Billy Shears is posting cos he loves me and agrees with me

 

[BimboBob]

I have a bag of monster munch which I am about to eat whilst day dreaming about sacking a manager who has won the League, the F.A. Cup and the Charity Shield.

I am, of course, mad as a bag of frogs.


Meep.

 

[chesterbells]

Oh, good news, the Guardian has spoken.

Honestly how the **** would they know what is going on in the minds of our Chairman and owner. First, I don't doubt for one nanosecond that they haven't actually spoken to either of them.

And second, had they done so (although we know they didn't), Khaldoon or Mansour are hardly likely to have said to the Guardian "we are going to sack him in January, but don't tell anyone. We trust you because you are a national newspaper".

Of course they would have said Mancini has their backing. Although, like I said, the conversation likely never took place anyway.

What a total waste if time of an article.

Leave it till tomorrow chippy when the decent posters are back ;-)

Translation: Wait until tomorrow chippy when Billy Shears is posting cos he loves me and agrees with me

Being truthful, there've been many posts on here recently, not least in the last 24 hrs, that show there are plenty who agree with them - me included.

 

[Danielmanc]

Leave it till tomorrow chippy when the decent posters are back ;-)

Translation: Wait until tomorrow chippy when Billy Shears is posting cos he loves me and agrees with me

Being truthful, there've been many posts on here recently, not least in the last 24 hrs, that show there are plenty who agree with them - me included.

But you're a day early - Dave says the "decent" posters won't be on until tomorrow

 

[LoveCity]

Interesting article by Herbert, the lack of positivity will make some dismiss it immediately though like The Guardian one.

Roberto Mancini has five months to demonstrate to his club’s Abu Dhabi owners that he is capable of reviving a group of players who seem to have lost the desire to help him take Manchester City to the next level.

The City manager's job is safe for now but he was confronted with evidence that his squad have simply lost the desire to win, in the anaemic defeat at Dortmund, which left the former City player Dietmar Hamann questioning whether the high salaries commanded by the players had 'taken the edge' off them. Mancini needs to deliver the Premier League title with some style to demonstrate that he has not taken the club as far as they can go, in their pursuit of global status.

The sight of Maicon, chatting at length with Borussia Dormund's Sandro before leaving the pitch on Tuesday night suggested that he was certainly not devastated by the manner of City's 1-0 defeat. Mancini made it his aim to sign Maicon at all costs from Internazionale, this summer, at a time when he was prepared to allow Nigel de Jong and Adam Johnson go. The Brazilian is looking like an even more questionable signing than Javi Garcia, who put in another poor display in Germany.

"[City] bought a lot of players for their name," Ruud Gullit, Hamann's fellow Sky TV analyst, who won the European Cup with Milan in 1989, said of City. "I don't think they bought players for other reasons. I don't see the reason they bought Maicon. Maybe someone can tell me that. They had some good players and they sold them. The manager takes the responsibility when you win and when you lose. If their intention was to win to get in to the Europa League then they made a fool of themselves. It was dreadful. There was no team at all."

The view from within the Premier League elite sides is that a place in the Europa League knock-out stage is unwelcome. Clubs actually lose money on it unless they can reach the semi-finals, which is never a certainty considering the pitfalls in far-flung locations. But the manner of the defeat to a weakened Dortmund side - which left City's campaign as the worst of any English side in Champions League history - has potential to be defining.

"It's a tough group but this borders on embarrassing, to get so few points," said Hamann, who won the Champions League with Liverpool in 2005. "City really don't have the conviction to play in this league. The gulf looked very big. Borussia rested some of their top players. The players who came in for City all cost a lot of money. The Borussia players didn't. I saw one team that had the will to win and one that didn't."

The most substantial questions now facing Mancini, after a night on which Scott Sinclair was also unable to grasp the opportunity of his starting place, surround his transfer market business this summer. Sinclair and Jack Rodwell were among the manager's top-five targets this summer, which gives him no room to argue that he has not been backed financially to build on last season's Premier league title. The two Englishmen have not featured prominently, and Sinclair barely at all, but they were alongside Eden Hazard and Robin van Persie at the top of Mancini's list, with Daniele De Rossi as the back-up option if the move for Javi Garcia failed. The departure of de Jong to AC Milan has left Yaya Toure with increased responsibility to prevent sides running through City's midfield, as many European sides have. Johnson's release has left City short of naturally wide players.

The manager can point to the 'group of champions' City have had to contend with in Europe - and ahead of Wednesday night's round of games his own side actually featured fifth in the league table of passes attempted and completed in this season's group stage - behind Porto, PSG, Ajax and Barcelona. But even against a weakened Dortmund team there was not the intensity to up the tempo and drive through.

Match summariser Alan Smith pointed to the obvious bond between Dortmund manager Jurgen Klopp and his players, evident again on Tuesday. That kind of closeness is just not Mancini's style. Some at the club thought he might have nurtured something out of Johnson, given more patience. A nurturing ability is certainly a quality valued by City's new chief executive Ferran Soriano. Pep Guardiola and Jose Mourinho share an ability to "make their players grow professionally and at a personal level," Soriano has said. "They generate the optimal conditions and state of mind for that to happen." If there is a flaw in Mancini's management, then it is failure to do this.

Soriano - who transformed Barcelona between 2003 and 2008 - will want to know whether Mancini, who will get no money this winter, can really turn things around in the way that first Frank Rijkaard and then Pep Guardiola did for him in Catalonia. Barcelona were ranked 13th among world football's revenue earners, with half of Manchester United's turnover when Soriano took over, and half measures were not an option. "Consumers in general are able to remember five or six brands in each category [of business]," Soriano has reflected. "But not 20. In 2003 [at Barcelona] we were running a very high risk of not being able to bridge the gap with the top clubs and Barcelona remaining a small local brand." City looked a long way from global brand recognition against Dortmund.

 

[Davs 19]

Translation: Wait until tomorrow chippy when Billy Shears is posting cos he loves me and agrees with me

Being truthful, there've been many posts on here recently, not least in the last 24 hrs, that show there are plenty who agree with them - me included.

But you're a day early - Dave says the "decent" posters won't be on until tomorrow

Tomorrow should be fun. Billy & DD in tandem.

 

[Danielmanc]

Being truthful, there've been many posts on here recently, not least in the last 24 hrs, that show there are plenty who agree with them - me included.

But you're a day early - Dave says the "decent" posters won't be on until tomorrow

Tomorrow should be fun. Billy & DD in tandem.

As double acts go they aren't Morecambe & Wise ! Come to think of it they're more like the Krankies

 

[Barcon]

But you're a day early - Dave says the "decent" posters won't be on until tomorrow

Tomorrow should be fun. Billy & DD in tandem.

As double acts go they aren't Morecambe & Wise ! Come to think of it they're more like the Krankies

 

[chesterbells]

But you're a day early - Dave says the "decent" posters won't be on until tomorrow

Tomorrow should be fun. Billy & DD in tandem.

As double acts go they aren't Morecambe & Wise ! Come to think of it they're more like the Krankies

LOL. What does that make you two?

 

[halpo123]

pp

 

[Ray78]

It will be interesting 5 months ,and it will be a major test of Mancini's managerial skills. Sunday will be our first indication on how our season will pan out.

 

[Blue Haze]

Interesting article by Herbert, the lack of positivity will make some dismiss it immediately though like The Guardian one.

Roberto Mancini has five months to demonstrate to his club’s Abu Dhabi owners that he is capable of reviving a group of players who seem to have lost the desire to help him take Manchester City to the next level.

The City manager's job is safe for now but he was confronted with evidence that his squad have simply lost the desire to win, in the anaemic defeat at Dortmund, which left the former City player Dietmar Hamann questioning whether the high salaries commanded by the players had 'taken the edge' off them. Mancini needs to deliver the Premier League title with some style to demonstrate that he has not taken the club as far as they can go, in their pursuit of global status.

The sight of Maicon, chatting at length with Borussia Dormund's Sandro before leaving the pitch on Tuesday night suggested that he was certainly not devastated by the manner of City's 1-0 defeat. Mancini made it his aim to sign Maicon at all costs from Internazionale, this summer, at a time when he was prepared to allow Nigel de Jong and Adam Johnson go. The Brazilian is looking like an even more questionable signing than Javi Garcia, who put in another poor display in Germany.

"[City] bought a lot of players for their name," Ruud Gullit, Hamann's fellow Sky TV analyst, who won the European Cup with Milan in 1989, said of City. "I don't think they bought players for other reasons. I don't see the reason they bought Maicon. Maybe someone can tell me that. They had some good players and they sold them. The manager takes the responsibility when you win and when you lose. If their intention was to win to get in to the Europa League then they made a fool of themselves. It was dreadful. There was no team at all."

The view from within the Premier League elite sides is that a place in the Europa League knock-out stage is unwelcome. Clubs actually lose money on it unless they can reach the semi-finals, which is never a certainty considering the pitfalls in far-flung locations. But the manner of the defeat to a weakened Dortmund side - which left City's campaign as the worst of any English side in Champions League history - has potential to be defining.

"It's a tough group but this borders on embarrassing, to get so few points," said Hamann, who won the Champions League with Liverpool in 2005. "City really don't have the conviction to play in this league. The gulf looked very big. Borussia rested some of their top players. The players who came in for City all cost a lot of money. The Borussia players didn't. I saw one team that had the will to win and one that didn't."

The most substantial questions now facing Mancini, after a night on which Scott Sinclair was also unable to grasp the opportunity of his starting place, surround his transfer market business this summer. Sinclair and Jack Rodwell were among the manager's top-five targets this summer, which gives him no room to argue that he has not been backed financially to build on last season's Premier league title. The two Englishmen have not featured prominently, and Sinclair barely at all, but they were alongside Eden Hazard and Robin van Persie at the top of Mancini's list, with Daniele De Rossi as the back-up option if the move for Javi Garcia failed. The departure of de Jong to AC Milan has left Yaya Toure with increased responsibility to prevent sides running through City's midfield, as many European sides have. Johnson's release has left City short of naturally wide players.

The manager can point to the 'group of champions' City have had to contend with in Europe - and ahead of Wednesday night's round of games his own side actually featured fifth in the league table of passes attempted and completed in this season's group stage - behind Porto, PSG, Ajax and Barcelona. But even against a weakened Dortmund team there was not the intensity to up the tempo and drive through.

Match summariser Alan Smith pointed to the obvious bond between Dortmund manager Jurgen Klopp and his players, evident again on Tuesday. That kind of closeness is just not Mancini's style. Some at the club thought he might have nurtured something out of Johnson, given more patience. A nurturing ability is certainly a quality valued by City's new chief executive Ferran Soriano. Pep Guardiola and Jose Mourinho share an ability to "make their players grow professionally and at a personal level," Soriano has said. "They generate the optimal conditions and state of mind for that to happen." If there is a flaw in Mancini's management, then it is failure to do this.

Soriano - who transformed Barcelona between 2003 and 2008 - will want to know whether Mancini, who will get no money this winter, can really turn things around in the way that first Frank Rijkaard and then Pep Guardiola did for him in Catalonia. Barcelona were ranked 13th among world football's revenue earners, with half of Manchester United's turnover when Soriano took over, and half measures were not an option. "Consumers in general are able to remember five or six brands in each category [of business]," Soriano has reflected. "But not 20. In 2003 [at Barcelona] we were running a very high risk of not being able to bridge the gap with the top clubs and Barcelona remaining a small local brand." City looked a long way from global brand recognition against Dortmund.

I do not believe for a moment that JavI Garcia was our #1 option and DDR a backup. Ludicrous. The timeline suggests exactly the opposite.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

he was sacked from inter for champions league failure.

I might be wrong but I'm sure he was sacked for announcing he was quitting and then going back on his word.

Correct
It was moo who was sacked from chelsea for not delivering the champions league
And looks like the madrid chiefs will be doing the same soon
Thats why he is already jumping ship before he is pushed..

 

[The Future's Blue]

Everyone has to remember that apart from the handful of obsessives on here (well all 5 of them) win on Sunday and no one will even think of getting rid of him.

The said obsessives have allowed their hatred of the manager to get in the way of their support of the club, they never come on here when we win, as sure as night follows day after a bad result they are on here, they want you to know just how right they are, so they will hijack threads, just so they get the message through loud and clear, a very sad state of affairs

Well worth another mention.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Everyone has to remember that apart from the handful of obsessives on here (well all 5 of them) win on Sunday and no one will even think of getting rid of him.

The said obsessives have allowed their hatred of the manager to get in the way of their support of the club, they never come on here when we win, as sure as night follows day after a bad result they are on here, they want you to know just how right they are, so they will hijack threads, just so they get the message through loud and clear, a very sad state of affairs

Well worth another mention.

Missed that post nice one ducado

 

[Bill]

Everyone has to remember that apart from the handful of obsessives on here (well all 5 of them) win on Sunday and no one will even think of getting rid of him.

The said obsessives have allowed their hatred of the manager to get in the way of their support of the club, they never come on here when we win, as sure as night follows day after a bad result they are on here, they want you to know just how right they are, so they will hijack threads, just so they get the message through loud and clear, a very sad state of affairs

Well worth another mention.

I think this is a little unfair, we know who you are talking about but they hold an opinion and are entitled to it. Lets face it if it ends up bob going we end with Jose or pep and we move on.if that then pleases some of our crowd it will displease others, it's all just opinion.

 

[Anonymous]

Everyone has to remember that apart from the handful of obsessives on here (well all 5 of them) win on Sunday and no one will even think of getting rid of him.

The said obsessives have allowed their hatred of the manager to get in the way of their support of the club, they never come on here when we win, as sure as night follows day after a bad result they are on here, they want you to know just how right they are, so they will hijack threads, just so they get the message through loud and clear, a very sad state of affairs

Well worth another mention.

Missed that post nice one ducado

I was going to give it a rest today. But since Ducado feels the needs to reiterate his point about what a massive blue he is and how I only hijack threads after we lose - then I feel it's my duty to spend as much time on here in the next few days talking about how limited I feel Mancini is in comparison to some of his peers, and certainly in comparison to Guardiola and Mourinho.

BTW .... thanks De Niro for the vote of confidence. Good to know not all the moderators on here have disappeared up their own arseholes because of an opinion they don't share about the manager.

 

[mekonmcfc]

I have not read any hatred on Mancini, I think he has a place in everyone's heart and will always have a place there, however there is no hiding from the fact that we have gone backwards.

We are not playing how we used to do, he doesn't seem to have man management skills of the other top managers, look at the Dortmund manager and what budget he has used. I'm not classing Lennon but he got his team motivated to beat quote " the best team ever assembled" I think that's on this thread somewhere. Mancini just doesn't seem to be able to raise them.

So Ducado if you think our comments about spirit, passion, structure, pace and man management are a sign of our hatred then you are sadly mistaken.

It's called an informed decision not blind love for someone like you do as a lovesick child.

I am eternally grateful but things have to improve, a convincing win on Sunday will help !!! Or any win really. But we aren't putting ourselves up there with the best at present !!!

 

[Anonymous]

I have not read any hatred on Mancini, I think he has a place in everyone's heart and will always have a place there, however there is no hiding from the fact that we have gone backwards.

We are not playing how we used to do, he doesn't seem to have man management skills of the other top managers, look at the Dortmund manager and what budget he has used. I'm not classing Lennon but he got his team motivated to beat quote " the best team ever assembled" I think that's on this thread somewhere. Mancini just doesn't seem to be able to raise them.

So Ducado if you think our comments about spirit, passion, structure, pace and man management are a sign of our hatred then you are sadly mistaken.

It's called an informed decision not blind love for someone like you do as a lovesick child.

I am eternally grateful but things have to improve, a convincing win on Sunday will help !!! Or any win really. But we aren't putting ourselves up there with the best at present !!!

I think Ducado should work on his basic mathematics skills. Clearly he can't count beyond 5.