Freestyler said:Here me out, this is NOT a 'Mancini out' post. Or in relation to tonight's failings against Dortmund. Just a post on how i feel about Mancini's future and why his job at City is constantly talked about.
Firstly we'll rule out the following comments, neither of 4 terms below are relevant to the post i will put forward:
1. 'Unbeaten in the league' - United have lost 3 games and sit above us in the league. Would you say 'unbeaten in the league' if we drew 38 games in a season? no. We've been shite most the season, could easily have lost games due to obscure tactics and substitutions and getting away with murder. We've been outplayed by teams in the bottom half of The Premiership time and time again.
2. 'He won us the league' - The resources given he should have walked the league. Won it due to a United downfall and it took Brian Kidd to convince Mancini we could claw it back. The quality of the side pulled us through IMO, you'd think we won it by 15 points the way some talk.
3. 'Remember where we've come from' - by FAR the most overused and stupidest comment around these days. We've got a team worth £400mill, not £5mill. It's 2012, not 1998. Give it a rest..
4. 'We need stability' - true, but stability and loyalty to managers counts for nothing when the team doesn't improve.
The reason:
When a club moves forward so does the managers. The owners/fans as each year goes on expect to see an improvement and City competing and performing at the highest level.
Mancini is a great manager, imo not one of the best in the world. Probably not even top 5 imo, when the club get's to a certain point it has to 'upgrade' so to speak with the level it moves towards. We've had Hughes who wasn't the best but played a part in buying bigger players and moving us forward ever so slightly and make us a better team, now we have Mancini. He's driven us on and taken us to the next part of our journey in what this club is aiming for, no expects instant glory and success but they want to see improvement and the club going forward.
Our team is built, the foundations are there now. We've got a top top side which should be able to compete at the highest level (not go and beat everyone and win everything) just compete and take the game to teams. I'd relish Mourinho at City, but i want Mancini to prove me wrong and not have me worrying about anyone else. I keep trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I always end up going back to my original stance.
Far too often we respect lesser teams. Instead of going for the kill when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play the game at a walking pace when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our own strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't. He holds us back, the small and little amount of times we have been given the freedom to attack we've been brilliant.
The key line here - Our side is now missing a proper tactical, inside out knowledgeable world class manager. If a manager came in he wouldn't have to buy more than 2 players, the ones at disposal now would be any managers dream. I like Mancini, but i think we need a real proper good tactical coach to take us to the next level. IMO Mancini is not that man, he'll only try to improve the squad by constant spending and not improve the team through management.
Europe is a far cry, he hasn't got it. The Premiership is another story, is HE really responsible for us winning the league? Our side needs a world class manager to make us what we want to be. The bottom line is, Mancini will be gone because he can't take us to that next level. Despite the fact that football's about opinions, more & more blues are taking offence at any honest comments made.
This is not 'Mancini out', remember i'm talking about having a manager being good enough to manage what he has. Mancini is not out of his depth, or a poor manager. He is a great manager but he just isn't up to scratch to take us to where the fans/owner want to be. He's part of the chain of our rise to the top and he'll be one of the managers who had his turn to get us there. But not the final piece of the jigsaw, and the height of quality we aimed for
Quite simply if you want be the best, you need to hire the best. We're reaching that level now...
Stoned Rose said:Freestyler said:Here me out, this is NOT a 'Mancini out' post. Or in relation to tonight's failings against Dortmund. Just a post on how i feel about Mancini's future and why his job at City is constantly talked about.
Firstly we'll rule out the following comments, neither of 4 terms below are relevant to the post i will put forward:
1. 'Unbeaten in the league' - United have lost 3 games and sit above us in the league. Would you say 'unbeaten in the league' if we drew 38 games in a season? no. We've been shite most the season, could easily have lost games due to obscure tactics and substitutions and getting away with murder. We've been outplayed by teams in the bottom half of The Premiership time and time again.
2. 'He won us the league' - The resources given he should have walked the league. Won it due to a United downfall and it took Brian Kidd to convince Mancini we could claw it back. The quality of the side pulled us through IMO, you'd think we won it by 15 points the way some talk.
3. 'Remember where we've come from' - by FAR the most overused and stupidest comment around these days. We've got a team worth £400mill, not £5mill. It's 2012, not 1998. Give it a rest..
4. 'We need stability' - true, but stability and loyalty to managers counts for nothing when the team doesn't improve.
The reason:
When a club moves forward so does the managers. The owners/fans as each year goes on expect to see an improvement and City competing and performing at the highest level.
Mancini is a great manager, imo not one of the best in the world. Probably not even top 5 imo, when the club get's to a certain point it has to 'upgrade' so to speak with the level it moves towards. We've had Hughes who wasn't the best but played a part in buying bigger players and moving us forward ever so slightly and make us a better team, now we have Mancini. He's driven us on and taken us to the next part of our journey in what this club is aiming for, no expects instant glory and success but they want to see improvement and the club going forward.
Our team is built, the foundations are there now. We've got a top top side which should be able to compete at the highest level (not go and beat everyone and win everything) just compete and take the game to teams. I'd relish Mourinho at City, but i want Mancini to prove me wrong and not have me worrying about anyone else. I keep trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I always end up going back to my original stance.
Far too often we respect lesser teams. Instead of going for the kill when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play the game at a walking pace when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our own strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't. He holds us back, the small and little amount of times we have been given the freedom to attack we've been brilliant.
The key line here - Our side is now missing a proper tactical, inside out knowledgeable world class manager. If a manager came in he wouldn't have to buy more than 2 players, the ones at disposal now would be any managers dream. I like Mancini, but i think we need a real proper good tactical coach to take us to the next level. IMO Mancini is not that man, he'll only try to improve the squad by constant spending and not improve the team through management.
Europe is a far cry, he hasn't got it. The Premiership is another story, is HE really responsible for us winning the league? Our side needs a world class manager to make us what we want to be. The bottom line is, Mancini will be gone because he can't take us to that next level. Despite the fact that football's about opinions, more & more blues are taking offence at any honest comments made.
This is not 'Mancini out', remember i'm talking about having a manager being good enough to manage what he has. Mancini is not out of his depth, or a poor manager. He is a great manager but he just isn't up to scratch to take us to where the fans/owner want to be. He's part of the chain of our rise to the top and he'll be one of the managers who had his turn to get us there. But not the final piece of the jigsaw, and the height of quality we aimed for
Quite simply if you want be the best, you need to hire the best. We're reaching that level now...
Post of the year. Nice to see someone who understands the situation.
Stoned Rose said:Freestyler said:Here me out, this is NOT a 'Mancini out' post. Or in relation to tonight's failings against Dortmund. Just a post on how i feel about Mancini's future and why his job at City is constantly talked about.
Firstly we'll rule out the following comments, neither of 4 terms below are relevant to the post i will put forward:
1. 'Unbeaten in the league' - United have lost 3 games and sit above us in the league. Would you say 'unbeaten in the league' if we drew 38 games in a season? no. We've been shite most the season, could easily have lost games due to obscure tactics and substitutions and getting away with murder. We've been outplayed by teams in the bottom half of The Premiership time and time again.
2. 'He won us the league' - The resources given he should have walked the league. Won it due to a United downfall and it took Brian Kidd to convince Mancini we could claw it back. The quality of the side pulled us through IMO, you'd think we won it by 15 points the way some talk.
3. 'Remember where we've come from' - by FAR the most overused and stupidest comment around these days. We've got a team worth £400mill, not £5mill. It's 2012, not 1998. Give it a rest..
4. 'We need stability' - true, but stability and loyalty to managers counts for nothing when the team doesn't improve.
The reason:
When a club moves forward so does the managers. The owners/fans as each year goes on expect to see an improvement and City competing and performing at the highest level.
Mancini is a great manager, imo not one of the best in the world. Probably not even top 5 imo, when the club get's to a certain point it has to 'upgrade' so to speak with the level it moves towards. We've had Hughes who wasn't the best but played a part in buying bigger players and moving us forward ever so slightly and make us a better team, now we have Mancini. He's driven us on and taken us to the next part of our journey in what this club is aiming for, no expects instant glory and success but they want to see improvement and the club going forward.
Our team is built, the foundations are there now. We've got a top top side which should be able to compete at the highest level (not go and beat everyone and win everything) just compete and take the game to teams. I'd relish Mourinho at City, but i want Mancini to prove me wrong and not have me worrying about anyone else. I keep trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I always end up going back to my original stance.
Far too often we respect lesser teams. Instead of going for the kill when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play the game at a walking pace when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our own strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't. He holds us back, the small and little amount of times we have been given the freedom to attack we've been brilliant.
The key line here - Our side is now missing a proper tactical, inside out knowledgeable world class manager. If a manager came in he wouldn't have to buy more than 2 players, the ones at disposal now would be any managers dream. I like Mancini, but i think we need a real proper good tactical coach to take us to the next level. IMO Mancini is not that man, he'll only try to improve the squad by constant spending and not improve the team through management.
Europe is a far cry, he hasn't got it. The Premiership is another story, is HE really responsible for us winning the league? Our side needs a world class manager to make us what we want to be. The bottom line is, Mancini will be gone because he can't take us to that next level. Despite the fact that football's about opinions, more & more blues are taking offence at any honest comments made.
This is not 'Mancini out', remember i'm talking about having a manager being good enough to manage what he has. Mancini is not out of his depth, or a poor manager. He is a great manager but he just isn't up to scratch to take us to where the fans/owner want to be. He's part of the chain of our rise to the top and he'll be one of the managers who had his turn to get us there. But not the final piece of the jigsaw, and the height of quality we aimed for
Quite simply if you want be the best, you need to hire the best. We're reaching that level now...
Post of the year. Nice to see someone who understands the situation.
Vienna_70 said:Blue Haze said:There's a difference between wanting his sacking and feeling it's inevitable.
Every manager gets sacked - the Govan piss can being the obvious exception - but Roberto is safe for at least another season, IMHO.
Freestyler said:Here me out, this is NOT a 'Mancini out' post. Or in relation to tonight's failings against Dortmund. Just a post on how i feel about Mancini's future and why his job at City is constantly talked about.
Firstly we'll rule out the following comments, neither of 4 terms below are relevant to the post i will put forward:
1. 'Unbeaten in the league' - United have lost 3 games and sit above us in the league. Would you say 'unbeaten in the league' if we drew 38 games in a season? no. We've been shite most the season, could easily have lost games due to obscure tactics and substitutions and getting away with murder. We've been outplayed by teams in the bottom half of The Premiership time and time again.
2. 'He won us the league' - The resources given he should have walked the league. Won it due to a United downfall and it took Brian Kidd to convince Mancini we could claw it back. The quality of the side pulled us through IMO, you'd think we won it by 15 points the way some talk.
3. 'Remember where we've come from' - by FAR the most overused and stupidest comment around these days. We've got a team worth £400mill, not £5mill. It's 2012, not 1998. Give it a rest..
4. 'We need stability' - true, but stability and loyalty to managers counts for nothing when the team doesn't improve.
The reason:
When a club moves forward so does the managers. The owners/fans as each year goes on expect to see an improvement and City competing and performing at the highest level.
Mancini is a great manager, imo not one of the best in the world. Probably not even top 5 imo, when the club get's to a certain point it has to 'upgrade' so to speak with the level it moves towards. We've had Hughes who wasn't the best but played a part in buying bigger players and moving us forward ever so slightly and make us a better team, now we have Mancini. He's driven us on and taken us to the next part of our journey in what this club is aiming for, no expects instant glory and success but they want to see improvement and the club going forward.
Our team is built, the foundations are there now. We've got a top top side which should be able to compete at the highest level (not go and beat everyone and win everything) just compete and take the game to teams. I'd relish Mourinho at City, but i want Mancini to prove me wrong and not have me worrying about anyone else. I keep trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I always end up going back to my original stance.
Far too often we respect lesser teams. Instead of going for the kill when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play the game at a walking pace when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our own strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't. He holds us back, the small and little amount of times we have been given the freedom to attack we've been brilliant.
The key line here - Our side is now missing a proper tactical, inside out knowledgeable world class manager. If a manager came in he wouldn't have to buy more than 2 players, the ones at disposal now would be any managers dream. I like Mancini, but i think we need a real proper good tactical coach to take us to the next level. IMO Mancini is not that man, he'll only try to improve the squad by constant spending and not improve the team through management.
Europe is a far cry, he hasn't got it. The Premiership is another story, is HE really responsible for us winning the league? Our side needs a world class manager to make us what we want to be. The bottom line is, Mancini will be gone because he can't take us to that next level. Despite the fact that football's about opinions, more & more blues are taking offence at any honest comments made.
This is not 'Mancini out', remember i'm talking about having a manager being good enough to manage what he has. Mancini is not out of his depth, or a poor manager. He is a great manager but he just isn't up to scratch to take us to where the fans/owner want to be. He's part of the chain of our rise to the top and he'll be one of the managers who had his turn to get us there. But not the final piece of the jigsaw, and the height of quality we aimed for
Quite simply if you want be the best, you need to hire the best. We're reaching that level now...
bluemc1 said:Stoned Rose said:Freestyler said:Here me out, this is NOT a 'Mancini out' post. Or in relation to tonight's failings against Dortmund. Just a post on how i feel about Mancini's future and why his job at City is constantly talked about.
Firstly we'll rule out the following comments, neither of 4 terms below are relevant to the post i will put forward:
1. 'Unbeaten in the league' - United have lost 3 games and sit above us in the league. Would you say 'unbeaten in the league' if we drew 38 games in a season? no. We've been shite most the season, could easily have lost games due to obscure tactics and substitutions and getting away with murder. We've been outplayed by teams in the bottom half of The Premiership time and time again.
2. 'He won us the league' - The resources given he should have walked the league. Won it due to a United downfall and it took Brian Kidd to convince Mancini we could claw it back. The quality of the side pulled us through IMO, you'd think we won it by 15 points the way some talk.
3. 'Remember where we've come from' - by FAR the most overused and stupidest comment around these days. We've got a team worth £400mill, not £5mill. It's 2012, not 1998. Give it a rest..
4. 'We need stability' - true, but stability and loyalty to managers counts for nothing when the team doesn't improve.
The reason:
When a club moves forward so does the managers. The owners/fans as each year goes on expect to see an improvement and City competing and performing at the highest level.
Mancini is a great manager, imo not one of the best in the world. Probably not even top 5 imo, when the club get's to a certain point it has to 'upgrade' so to speak with the level it moves towards. We've had Hughes who wasn't the best but played a part in buying bigger players and moving us forward ever so slightly and make us a better team, now we have Mancini. He's driven us on and taken us to the next part of our journey in what this club is aiming for, no expects instant glory and success but they want to see improvement and the club going forward.
Our team is built, the foundations are there now. We've got a top top side which should be able to compete at the highest level (not go and beat everyone and win everything) just compete and take the game to teams. I'd relish Mourinho at City, but i want Mancini to prove me wrong and not have me worrying about anyone else. I keep trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I always end up going back to my original stance.
Far too often we respect lesser teams. Instead of going for the kill when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play the game at a walking pace when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our own strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't. He holds us back, the small and little amount of times we have been given the freedom to attack we've been brilliant.
The key line here - Our side is now missing a proper tactical, inside out knowledgeable world class manager. If a manager came in he wouldn't have to buy more than 2 players, the ones at disposal now would be any managers dream. I like Mancini, but i think we need a real proper good tactical coach to take us to the next level. IMO Mancini is not that man, he'll only try to improve the squad by constant spending and not improve the team through management.
Europe is a far cry, he hasn't got it. The Premiership is another story, is HE really responsible for us winning the league? Our side needs a world class manager to make us what we want to be. The bottom line is, Mancini will be gone because he can't take us to that next level. Despite the fact that football's about opinions, more & more blues are taking offence at any honest comments made.
This is not 'Mancini out', remember i'm talking about having a manager being good enough to manage what he has. Mancini is not out of his depth, or a poor manager. He is a great manager but he just isn't up to scratch to take us to where the fans/owner want to be. He's part of the chain of our rise to the top and he'll be one of the managers who had his turn to get us there. But not the final piece of the jigsaw, and the height of quality we aimed for
Quite simply if you want be the best, you need to hire the best. We're reaching that level now...
Post of the year. Nice to see someone who understands the situation.
yep everything is spot on
EaglesFan said:To the OP:
If YOU were the owner of this club, watching the squad he has and RESULTS he has so far this season (exit FA cup, exit CL/EL)...you'd probably be asking yourself some questions...
With this squad he should be doing much more than he is.
Since we're out of both cups so far - I think his future will depend on retaining the title this year.
If he fails at that too - he will be out, no question. And he should. To have one of the deepest squads in the world and have only 2nd place in EPL to show for it (hope not) would be MAJOR underachievement.
Oh bugger, you've caught me. I wish I hadn't upset you now.BillyShears said:The Future's Blue said:I suppose it deflects from Dzeko not scoring.EaglesFan said:To the OP:
If YOU were the owner of this club, watching the squad he has and RESULTS he has so far this season (exit FA cup, exit CL/EL)...you'd probably be asking yourself some questions...
With this squad he should be doing much more than he is.
Since we're out of both cups so far - I think his future will depend on retaining the title this year.
If he fails at that too - he will be out, no question. And he should. To have one of the deepest squads in the world and have only 2nd place in EPL to show for it (hope not) would be MAJOR underachievement.
That post is a pathetic attempt to draw attention away from our manager's shortcomings. Not surprised it's you at the helm of it.
The cookie monster said:Well i think it will be some achievement if mancini wins us another premthe goats backside said:The cookie monster said:So he could be a double prem league winner and you think thats not enough?
It's what the owners think that counts, not me
He will have won the same amount of leagues and f a cups as the thug from madrid has in the same time period he was at chelsea