Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[CC1]

The players will decide his fate. If they don't want him as a manager anymore, they won't respond to this defeat. If they will fight for him, rags will go through hell trying to keep those 6 points until May.

It's in the players' hands now. I do think if we're potless at the end, he's gone. Not sure what clauses are in his contract, no one but a few insiders would know that, but I doubt the owners will accept no trophies and losing 10-15m by failing to reach the knockout stage every season.

Today's second half tells it's own story, in that case.

Oh dear, that's knocked that argument exactly where it belongs. Well said sir

 

[jaden19]

He is a decent manager, but not a great one imo.

His CL record is abysmal and what ever way you look at it, two have failed to have qualified for 2 straight years from the group stages with the likes of Aguero, Silva, Toure, Kompany is worrying imo.

Mourinho would take you to the next level though. I think Guardiola is a question mark,

 

[Yaya_Tony]

I just don't get it, I'd love you to explain why it is better to get someone else in that will most likely do a job on a par at best. No guarantees remember.

Because this fella hasn't got the ammunition,he continues to prove it.

Our football is poor,the squad is limited and predictable,it looks tired and unmotivated and,in alot of cases,lacks passion - we need new ideas,a shake up and a squad overhaul.

At the level we're operating,we'd only employ the best available,they couldn't do worse,the good chance they would do a whole lot better is worth taking IMO.

I've read this whole thread before today, and hoped my contribution would be a little bit more lucid than it has been so far. Anyway...;

We have recently had a squad overhaul, and we are still getting on with it. I can't deny Europe has been poor, but I will say we are still building. As results in our own group in CL show, nothing is guaranteed, and IMO, a change of manager would set us back a few years. We lack passion? Really?

 

[John.des]

He used to save his job at Inter with winning the league after very bad CL performances.

He saved his job at City too with winning the league. it's not just my opinion he said it himself that the "late Agüero goal" probably saved him.

Now a bad CL performance happened again he has to save his job with winning the league again basically.

Hoping he will be still at City if he doesnt win the league just because he got a 5 year contract (that was not approved by Soriano or Txiki) is a bit naive.

Mourinho can leave Real, Guardiola is surely coming back into coaching Soriano and Txiki wont sit in their offices and hope Mancini will be able to make it to the second stage of CL against teams with lesser and lot cheaper squads.

Especially with our rivals Chelsea and United absolutely can go for these managers as well.

Its like letting Hazard go to Chelsea then RVP to United. These mistakes are costing us surely Mancini is unhappy with thse things as he cites Marwood still months since august...

Soriano and Txiki arent like Marwood(or Cook). Thank God for that.

 

[Blue Haze]

The players will decide his fate. If they don't want him as a manager anymore, they won't respond to this defeat. If they will fight for him, rags will go through hell trying to keep those 6 points until May.

It's in the players' hands now. I do think if we're potless at the end, he's gone. Not sure what clauses are in his contract, no one but a few insiders would know that, but I doubt the owners will accept no trophies and losing 10-15m by failing to reach the knockout stage every season.

Today's second half tells it's own story, in that case.

We have been doing that all season. Wait until we're down then rescue a point or three.

The improvement must reflect in the table. We're six back because the other team, for once, didn't sit back without responding to our resurgence this time. Had we advanced in Europe, this thread wouldn't exist.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

For record don't sackings come under a bracket separate from footballing issues and board related.

To keep a manager due to fear of company figures is worrying. Marks and Spencers wouldn't be governed that way so why anyone else. Football is a product for business, if your business is suffering due to product not meeting requirements you'd change it for the better of your business. Restriction of trade and business practise to the detriment. You'd win that in court.

All a court would be interested in is what the contract provides for, to all intents and purposes.

I'm on about us with ffp in court if we got pulled up about relieving Mancini.

Ah right. I see.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

He used to save his job at Inter with winning the league after very bad CL performances.

He saved his job at City too with winning the league. it's not just my opinion he said it himself that the "late Agüero goal" probably saved him.

Now a bad CL performance happened again he has to save his job with winning the league again basically.

Hoping he will be still at City if he doesnt win the league just because he got a 5 year contract (that was not approved by Soriano or Txiki) is a bit naive.

Mourinho can leave Real, Guardiola is surely coming back into coaching Soriano and Txiki wont sit in their offices and hope Mancini will be able to make it to the second stage of CL against teams with lesser and lot cheaper squads.

Especially with our rivals Chelsea and United absolutely can go for these managers as well.

Its like letting Hazard go to Chelsea then RVP to United. These mistakes are costing us surely Mancini is unhappy with thse things as he cites Marwood still months since august...

Soriano and Txiki arent like Marwood(or Cook). Thank God for that.

Have to agree with that statement

 

[Neil McNab]

I just don't get it, I'd love you to explain why it is better to get someone else in that will most likely do a job on a par at best. No guarantees remember.

Because this fella hasn't got the ammunition,he continues to prove it.

Our football is poor,the squad is limited and predictable,it looks tired and unmotivated and,in alot of cases,lacks passion - we need new ideas,a shake up and a squad overhaul.

At the level we're operating,we'd only employ the best available,they couldn't do worse,the good chance they would do a whole lot better is worth taking IMO.

I've read this whole thread before today, and hoped my contribution would be a little bit more lucid than it has been so far. Anyway...;

We have recently had a squad overhaul, and we are still getting on with it. I can't deny Europe has been poor, but I will say we are still building. As results in our own group in CL show, nothing is guaranteed, and IMO, a change of manager would set us back a few years. We lack passion? Really?

There's no evidence to back up your opinion, did the last change of manager set us back years?

 

[rastus]

Because this fella hasn't got the ammunition,he continues to prove it.

Our football is poor,the squad is limited and predictable,it looks tired and unmotivated and,in alot of cases,lacks passion - we need new ideas,a shake up and a squad overhaul.

At the level we're operating,we'd only employ the best available,they couldn't do worse,the good chance they would do a whole lot better is worth taking IMO.

I've read this whole thread before today, and hoped my contribution would be a little bit more lucid than it has been so far. Anyway...;

We have recently had a squad overhaul, and we are still getting on with it. I can't deny Europe has been poor, but I will say we are still building. As results in our own group in CL show, nothing is guaranteed, and IMO, a change of manager would set us back a few years. We lack passion? Really?

There's no evidence to back up your opinion, did the last change of manager set us back years?

Hughes for Sven, then yes it did...........well a bit anyway

 

[preston-blue]

It was a fair tactical decision to think we might need some height up front - the rags have a big defence. It didn't work so he brought Carlos on and he ran round like a wound up toy.....and I mean that in a positive way, he was great. But, I don't think he could have kept that up for 90 minutes. IF Mario had scored like he did during the 1-6 drubbing, then it would have been a great decision. Some things don't work...so he changed things

But this isn't October of last year. Balo hasn't played well this season. What he did last year is irrelevant. He can't keep making decisions based on last years form. He's off form this year. He was poor at Wigan but scored a great hard working goal. Other than that he hasn't done anything. Every game he's started he's sub's off barely past half time cause he's been so poor. So why start him in the derby over Tevez who's been the best player this season?

Well, hindsight it a wonderful thing.

Nothing to do with hindsight. Except if you put a months pay on a horse that's finished dead last in it's last 20 races, you could say ... with hindsight ... that it was a bad decision when it finishes second to last. Balotelli maybe had a better than usual game ... for him. But he's no Red Rum.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'm going to a party now.

Nothing like partying when your team has won, eh?

Fuck me there are some right tools on this forum.

What the fuck is he supposed to do, stay in with a black armband on???

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I'm going to a party now.

Nothing like partying when your team has won, eh?

Fuck me there are some right tools on this forum.

What the fuck is he supposed to do, stay in with a black armband on???

Oi!! Get back to the Dzeko thread ;-)

 

[FantasyIreland]

I just don't get it, I'd love you to explain why it is better to get someone else in that will most likely do a job on a par at best. No guarantees remember.

Because this fella hasn't got the ammunition,he continues to prove it.

Our football is poor,the squad is limited and predictable,it looks tired and unmotivated and,in alot of cases,lacks passion - we need new ideas,a shake up and a squad overhaul.

At the level we're operating,we'd only employ the best available,they couldn't do worse,the good chance they would do a whole lot better is worth taking IMO.

You was saying the exact same things last season you fucking coward.

Seems i was right doesn't it fuckwit

And calling me a coward behind a keyboard,shithouse.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Because this fella hasn't got the ammunition,he continues to prove it.

Our football is poor,the squad is limited and predictable,it looks tired and unmotivated and,in alot of cases,lacks passion - we need new ideas,a shake up and a squad overhaul.

At the level we're operating,we'd only employ the best available,they couldn't do worse,the good chance they would do a whole lot better is worth taking IMO.

You was saying the exact same things last season you fucking coward.

Seems i was right doesn't it fuckwit

And calling me a coward behind a keyboard,shithouse.

By that token, isn't calling him a shithouse from behind a keyboard the same thing?

 

[Yaya_Tony]

The players will decide his fate. If they don't want him as a manager anymore, they won't respond to this defeat. If they will fight for him, rags will go through hell trying to keep those 6 points until May.

It's in the players' hands now. I do think if we're potless at the end, he's gone. Not sure what clauses are in his contract, no one but a few insiders would know that, but I doubt the owners will accept no trophies and losing 10-15m by failing to reach the knockout stage every season.

Today's second half tells it's own story, in that case.

We have been doing that all season. Wait until we're down then rescue a point or three.

The improvement must reflect in the table. We're six back because the other team, for once, didn't sit back without responding to our resurgence this time. Had we advanced in Europe, this thread wouldn't exist.

One flick and we'd be top of the league on goal difference. Fuck Europe, for now. I don't think it can be said that the players "are not playing for the manager" or similar bullshit. They all want to win. We don't need a managerial change, and we can't expect it all on a plate. We just need the rub of the green now and again, and for the tactics to be carried out over 90 mins. (i.e. fucking do the opposition). Can't blame the boss for the players being ineffective.

 

[FantasyIreland]

You was saying the exact same things last season you fucking coward.

Seems i was right doesn't it fuckwit

And calling me a coward behind a keyboard,shithouse.

By that token, isn't calling him a shithouse from behind a keyboard the same thing?

I guess your right,i shouldn't lower myself,besides,he probably doesn't need the reminder......

 

[Anonymous]

Can't blame the boss for the players being ineffective.

Then why have a boss ?

Seriously, and I'm not talking about yesterday because Mancini did very little wrong. But if we can't hold the manager responsible for ineffective players then who do we hold responsible. People are quick enough to come on this forum and blame failure on the support, or lack of it, in the ground, or even on the forum. Yet holding the manager responsible isn't correct ?

Personally I think your completely wrong, and it's that type of attitude which will see the club set back a decade. The expectations which surround MCFC are not pretend ones dreamed up by me and you. They are the real life expectations of our owners. I suggest you watch Khaldoun's interview the morning after the QPR match again. That isn't the air of a man who's patting himself on the back and saying "mission accomplished". City have a long way to go before we are genuinely considered on a par with teams like Barcelona, Madrid, Munich, etc. Having expectations about European football as well as domestic football is the natural order of things. Blithely saying "I'm not arsed about Europe, therefore Mancini is doing a top notch job" is a nonsense, no matter how many times it's repeated. You get paid to do a whole job, not a half a job.

 

[Scooby Blue]

I thought it was very telling in the "Bobby meets the Sheikh" clip...that Sheikh Mansour puts an emphasis on young players in reference to the current season.

Khaldoon has also been vocal about this being a key part of the business plan.

The vision going forward is a core of star players (Silva / Kompany / Toure / Aguero etc) supplemented by a steady stream of young talented players coming through our academy (or poached from other academies).

This is the only way we can hope to get anywhere close to meeting FFP type targets (as expensive fringe players Bridge / Kolo / Lescott / Balo etc are released to reduce wage bill)

Bobby's "toys out of the pram" strops at not getting RVP , De Rossi etc will count against him as Khaldoon and the two new guys from Barca weigh things up at the end of the season.

Our tactical naivety + failures in the CL will also count against Mancini.

I think the argument about Guardiola being a gamble + unproven in the PL is missing the point (also those who want the special one).
He is the outstanding candidate to manage the club in the way that our business plan envisages (i.e. with an emphasis on integrating youth ) rather than continued purchases of off-the-shelf "stars".

If he can be persuaded to come to City, I think we will go for him...irrespective of where City finish at the end of the season.

 

[TFC]

The reaction from the squad to yesterdays loss is what I'm really looking forward to seeing as I think it will go a long way to deciding what happens at seasons end. We all know we have been well below par for the most part this season, maybe yeterdays loss is exactly what we need to galvanize the squad and create that 'us against the world' mentality that often drives successful teams forward.

I've questioned Mancini after games this season (rightfully I believe) but nows the time to show exactly what you are made of Bob, another 2 years unbeaten at ours and a nice long run of points please.

CTID.

 

[Damanino]

Was not Khaldoon that gave Mancini the 5 year contract? surely it was not Marwood they hate each other...

Never give a manager 5 year contract if you fire him right after one unsuccesful season.

Something is not right here.

Btw it would be serious underperforming by Mancini that another big CL exit and no succes in domestic front.