Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[greasedupdeafguy]

Post of the night.

Well it would be, if it wasn't bollocks.

There's not many around here saying they want him sacked. But that doesn't mean we have to be delighted with our CL performances which have been woeful whichever way you look at it. 1 point from 6 against Ajax is an embarrassment. The other games have varied from poor to piss poor.

I don't care how hard our group was, our performance in it was abysmal.

Bollocks?

It should have been 3 points against Ajax at home, but we got fucked over by the officials, perfectly good goal disallowed and stonewall penalty at the death not given, it was an embarrassment for the officials, not City, went 2-0 down and came back to dominate second half.

Excuses excuses, what about the debate able penalty against Dortmund, stop blaming refs we were just not good enough and Mancini should take a large amount of the blame.

 

[Anonymous]

Never mind giving the head a wobble, how about changing the mindset?

I think it's called a "winning mentality" in Gary Cook speak.

 

[johnmc]

I don't want him sacked. I'm 32 and he is the only manager to win anything in my lifetime. I want him to be a long term manager for 10-15 years as that's something we have not had for a long time. However I do feel he can improve and I hope he thinks he can too. He's made mistakes and that's fine. We all do.

Just sometimes I think he makes a mistake, then he will make the same decision again to show that really he was right all along. But that doesn't always happen so he is making the same mistake again. And if I'm honest whilst he is a great manager he will never be considered one of the greats I don't think. Hope he does with city mind.

 

[slicky202]

5 Champ League campaigns, 1 QTR Final with Inter.

Just a thought....

Have a look at Ferguson's first five CL campaigns.

those days are gone my friend. the club will be making moves for guardiola for commercial reasons if nothing else. dont forget the squad mancini has built to get knocked out of the champions league winles

 

[Malty]

Because when you look around Europe and see managers with less budgets out performing us for 2 years running in the CL then it's right the questions are asked. You don't brush it under the carpet. The owners are ambitious people and have invested alot of money in the club they want results. If we don't win the Premiership this season then we can consider this season a step backwards..

 

[sam-caddick]

Don't get me wrong, I want Mancini to stay because I believe he will give us success, but my only issue is is that will it only be domestic success?

There are quite a few managers who could win us domestic success with the players and funds available at City, but for City to become next level material, Mancini still has question marks over him whether he can perform in Europe.

I believe now that we are out of the European Cup the title is pretty much ours to throw away, failure to win it will inevitable be the end of Mancini's reign at City, if he wins then for sure he has to be given another season or so, and next years Champions League will determine Mancinis future at City.

It's not about winning in the CL, it's performing in it that we are not even able to do, that is the big issue and as Ciyy fans still getting used to watching a winning team, we are happy with jut domestic glory, the owners on the other hand want more for their money and want us progressing in Europe.

 

[Ray78]

I would give him one more crack at the Champions League, but I think he will be gone at the end of the season as Sheikh Mansour will look at his European record at City and think it is not quite good enough.

 

[Freestyler]

I don't want him sacked, although if Mourinho said i want to come to City in the summer i'd take it, no brainer.

 

[Malty]

Nothing like a derby win can't do to relieve some pressure!

 

[2sheikhs]

The only 2 groups of people that are of major significance at City are the fans and Sheikh Mansour and his closest advisers. Without the fans, there wouldn't be a club, without the owner, we wouldn't be where we are as a club. Everybody else is an expendable pawn from the tea lady to the manager. Luckily, the owners aspirations and intentions are in tandem with that of the fans. I, personally, like Mancini and would be happy to constantly win the PL year after year with the odd FA cup thrown in for good measure.
I don't own the club though and it's not my money at stake. The Sheikh isn't a petulant child like abramovic. While he's building his facilities and putting in his investments for our sustained future, let's enjoy the ride. If he decides Mancini isn't the man, so be it. Players and staff will come and go but we'll get there in the end. Trust him, the man's no fool.

 

[Damanino]

United dont have a defence.

They have extra CL matches we are free thanks to our remarkable 4th place in CL group with 3 points. (Worst English record.)

We have a better squad than United. (If Mancini could get the best out of it that still remain in question but its his job)

Chelsea took themselves out of the title fight hopefully, Arsenal might finish on 5-6th.

What else Mancini wants to win the league again?

 

[daztrueblue91]

The thing is Mancini has already come out and said he is not going to be here for the next 10 years so people who are hoping for him to be here as long as Taggert, Wenger and Moyes are sadly mistaken. Also long term managers are not always a good thing anyway. What has Moyes ever won at Everton? and when was the last time Arsenal won something? I'm not saying go with the Abramhovic approach but changing a manager every few years can be good for a club.

It is understandable why a lot of fans will want Mancini to stay after all he has won us back to back trophies but the worrying thing is that I Just dont see us improving. All this talk about not building on the team in the summer is just an excuse. We should have finished minimum 3rd in our champions league group not bottom with out a win. Also even if Mancini did leave us he would still be a part of our history and nothing will change that but there would be no shame in moving him on if the club felt we needed a new direction.

Another major criticism is the fact that the majority of our squad now is Mancini's and he has signed so many players who were stars at their previous clubs but have just not performed for us. Why sign Dzeko and not play to his strengths? Why sign Nasri and not play him in his most influential position?

If Mourinho is available and willing to join us at the end of the season then it an absolute 100% no brainer we have to get him. Yes he is an arrogant arsehole, however he is the best manager out there and he has the respect of everyone. Just like if we had to choose Ronaldo or Aguero then it would be Ronaldo every time.

 

[NorCalBlue]

The thing is Mancini has already come out and said he is not going to be here for the next 10 years so people who are hoping for him to be here as long as Taggert, Wenger and Moyes are sadly mistaken. Also long term managers are not always a good thing anyway. What has Moyes ever won at Everton? and when was the last time Arsenal won something? I'm not saying go with the Abramhovic approach but changing a manager every few years can be good for a club.

It is understandable why a lot of fans will want Mancini to stay after all he has won us back to back trophies but the worrying thing is that I Just dont see us improving. All this talk about not building on the team in the summer is just an excuse. We should have finished minimum 3rd in our champions league group not bottom with out a win. Also even if Mancini did leave us he would still be a part of our history and nothing will change that but there would be no shame in moving him on if the club felt we needed a new direction.

Another major criticism is the fact that the majority of our squad now is Mancini's and he has signed so many players who were stars at their previous clubs but have just not performed for us. Why sign Dzeko and not play to his strengths? Why sign Nasri and not play him in his most influential position?

If Mourinho is available and willing to join us at the end of the season then it an absolute 100% no brainer we have to get him. Yes he is an arrogant arsehole, however he is the best manager out there and he has the respect of everyone. Just like if we had to choose Ronaldo or Aguero then it would be Ronaldo every time.

If the linesman hadn't given offside in the Ajax game, we would have won it, and qualified for the EL. So, without Mancini doing anything different in any game, things would look a whole lot better (or not, if you think we're better off out of the Europa League). Same with Mourinho, who wouldn't have won the CL with Inter if the linesman had allowed Yaya's goal in the semi. It wouldn't have changed how well he'd coached the team, but he wouldn't be considered quite as amazing a manager if that one tiny thing, that was entirely out of his control, had happened differently. Similarly, Mancini's reputation would be significantly reduced if Aguero had missed against QPR - another incident entirely out of the manager's control.

So many random occurrences can affect individual games, you have to take the long view and judge a manager on how his team plays over a longer period than one game, or even six games against some of the best teams in Europe. If you look at his record in its entirety and still don't think Mancini's up to it, then fair enough, but managers aren't geniuses one match and f**kwits the next, so unless you've been unhappy with Mancini for most of last season, as well as most of this, to suddenly decide he's not good enough, based on a few performances in the CL is a bit ridiculous.

 

[daztrueblue91]

The thing is Mancini has already come out and said he is not going to be here for the next 10 years so people who are hoping for him to be here as long as Taggert, Wenger and Moyes are sadly mistaken. Also long term managers are not always a good thing anyway. What has Moyes ever won at Everton? and when was the last time Arsenal won something? I'm not saying go with the Abramhovic approach but changing a manager every few years can be good for a club.

It is understandable why a lot of fans will want Mancini to stay after all he has won us back to back trophies but the worrying thing is that I Just dont see us improving. All this talk about not building on the team in the summer is just an excuse. We should have finished minimum 3rd in our champions league group not bottom with out a win. Also even if Mancini did leave us he would still be a part of our history and nothing will change that but there would be no shame in moving him on if the club felt we needed a new direction.

Another major criticism is the fact that the majority of our squad now is Mancini's and he has signed so many players who were stars at their previous clubs but have just not performed for us. Why sign Dzeko and not play to his strengths? Why sign Nasri and not play him in his most influential position?

If Mourinho is available and willing to join us at the end of the season then it an absolute 100% no brainer we have to get him. Yes he is an arrogant arsehole, however he is the best manager out there and he has the respect of everyone. Just like if we had to choose Ronaldo or Aguero then it would be Ronaldo every time.

If the linesman hadn't given offside in the Ajax game, we would have won it, and qualified for the EL. So, without Mancini doing anything different in any game, things would look a whole lot better (or not, if you think we're better off out of the Europa League). Same with Mourinho, who wouldn't have won the CL with Inter if the linesman had allowed Yaya's goal in the semi. It wouldn't have changed how well he'd coached the team, but he wouldn't be considered quite as amazing a manager if that one tiny thing, that was entirely out of his control, had happened differently. Similarly, Mancini's reputation would be significantly reduced if Aguero had missed against QPR - another incident entirely out of the manager's control.

So many random occurrences can affect individual games, you have to take the long view and judge a manager on how his team plays over a longer period than one game, or even six games against some of the best teams in Europe. If you look at his record in its entirety and still don't think Mancini's up to it, then fair enough, but managers aren't geniuses one match and f**kwits the next, so unless you've been unhappy with Mancini for most of last season, as well as most of this, to suddenly decide he's not good enough, based on a few performances in the CL is a bit ridiculous.

I just don't honestly think we are improving, maybe thats because we were awesome at the start of last season or maybe because we have been poor attacking wise this season. However we can blame referees all we want but the fact is we got out played of Ajax twice this season which is embarrassing.

we can also look at referees and ifs and buts all we want but the fact is we play 6 games in the CL and we won none. Yes we were unlucky with some decisions however we were also lucky with some. Its the awful defending at set pieces, switching off in matches and playing slow meaningless football what bothers me.

We got lucky last season there's no way about it although we 100% deserved to win the league we were unbelievably close to winning nothing and that should not be totally dismissed.

Also regardless of whether Mancini is good enough if Mourinho is available you go for him every day simple as that. I would keep Bobby over any other manager however Mourinho is the best. Its like comparing Aguero to Messi, Sergio is a class player who would do well for any body however Messi is the best and you choose him over anyone.

 

[blumoonrisen]

We won the title last season, and will prob win it again this season, and people are bitchin bout Mancini cos we didn't win the champions league as well..!

Hahaha..!!

 

[Freestyler]

The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Hear me out, this is NOT a 'Mancini out' post. Or in relation to tonight's failings against Dortmund. Just a post on how i feel about Mancini's future and why his job at City is constantly talked about.

Firstly we'll rule out the following comments, neither of 4 terms below are relevant to the post i will put forward:

1. 'Unbeaten in the league' - United have lost 3 games and sit above us in the league. Would you say 'unbeaten in the league' if we drew 38 games in a season? no. We've been shite most the season, could easily have lost games due to obscure tactics and substitutions and getting away with murder. We've been outplayed by teams in the bottom half of The Premiership time and time again.

2. 'He won us the league' - The resources given he should have walked the league. Won it due to a United downfall and it took Brian Kidd to convince Mancini we could claw it back. The quality of the side pulled us through IMO, you'd think we won it by 15 points the way some talk.

3. 'Remember where we've come from' - by FAR the most overused and stupidest comment around these days. We've got a team worth £400mill, not £5mill. It's 2012, not 1998. Give it a rest..

4. 'We need stability' - true, but stability and loyalty to managers counts for nothing when the team doesn't improve.

The reason:

When a club moves forward so does the managers. The owners/fans as each year goes on expect to see an improvement and City competing and performing at the highest level.

Mancini is a great manager, imo not one of the best in the world. Probably not even top 5 imo, when the club get's to a certain point it has to 'upgrade' so to speak with the level it moves towards. We've had Hughes who wasn't the best but played a part in buying bigger players and moving us forward ever so slightly and make us a better team, now we have Mancini. He's driven us on and taken us to the next part of our journey in what this club is aiming for, no expects instant glory and success but they want to see improvement and the club going forward.

Our team is built, the foundations are there now. We've got a top top side which should be able to compete at the highest level (not go and beat everyone and win everything) just compete and take the game to teams. I'd relish Mourinho at City, but i want Mancini to prove me wrong and not have me worrying about anyone else. I keep trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I always end up going back to my original stance.

Far too often we respect lesser teams. Instead of going for the kill when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play the game at a walking pace when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our own strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't. He holds us back, the small and little amount of times we have been given the freedom to attack we've been brilliant.

The key line here - Our side is now missing a proper tactical, inside out knowledgeable world class manager. If a manager came in he wouldn't have to buy more than 2 players, the ones at disposal now would be any managers dream. I like Mancini, but i think we need a real proper good tactical coach to take us to the next level. IMO Mancini is not that man, he'll only try to improve the squad by constant spending and not improve the team through management.

Europe is a far cry, he hasn't got it. The Premiership is another story, is HE really responsible for us winning the league? Our side needs a world class manager to make us what we want to be. The bottom line is, Mancini will be gone because he can't take us to that next level. Despite the fact that football's about opinions, more & more blues are taking offence at any honest comments made.

This is not 'Mancini out', remember i'm talking about having a manager being good enough to manage what he has. Mancini is not out of his depth, or a poor manager. He is a great manager but he just isn't up to scratch to take us to where the fans/owner want to be. He's part of the chain of our rise to the top and he'll be one of the managers who had his turn to get us there. But not the final piece of the jigsaw, and the height of quality we aimed for

Quite simply if you want be the best, you need to hire the best. We're reaching that level now...

 

[sam-caddick]

The thing is Mancini has already come out and said he is not going to be here for the next 10 years so people who are hoping for him to be here as long as Taggert, Wenger and Moyes are sadly mistaken. Also long term managers are not always a good thing anyway. What has Moyes ever won at Everton? and when was the last time Arsenal won something? I'm not saying go with the Abramhovic approach but changing a manager every few years can be good for a club.

It is understandable why a lot of fans will want Mancini to stay after all he has won us back to back trophies but the worrying thing is that I Just dont see us improving. All this talk about not building on the team in the summer is just an excuse. We should have finished minimum 3rd in our champions league group not bottom with out a win. Also even if Mancini did leave us he would still be a part of our history and nothing will change that but there would be no shame in moving him on if the club felt we needed a new direction.

Another major criticism is the fact that the majority of our squad now is Mancini's and he has signed so many players who were stars at their previous clubs but have just not performed for us. Why sign Dzeko and not play to his strengths? Why sign Nasri and not play him in his most influential position?

If Mourinho is available and willing to join us at the end of the season then it an absolute 100% no brainer we have to get him. Yes he is an arrogant arsehole, however he is the best manager out there and he has the respect of everyone. Just like if we had to choose Ronaldo or Aguero then it would be Ronaldo every time.

If the linesman hadn't given offside in the Ajax game, we would have won it, and qualified for the EL. So, without Mancini doing anything different in any game, things would look a whole lot better (or not, if you think we're better off out of the Europa League). Same with Mourinho, who wouldn't have won the CL with Inter if the linesman had allowed Yaya's goal in the semi. It wouldn't have changed how well he'd coached the team, but he wouldn't be considered quite as amazing a manager if that one tiny thing, that was entirely out of his control, had happened differently. Similarly, Mancini's reputation would be significantly reduced if Aguero had missed against QPR - another incident entirely out of the manager's control.

So many random occurrences can affect individual games, you have to take the long view and judge a manager on how his team plays over a longer period than one game, or even six games against some of the best teams in Europe. If you look at his record in its entirety and still don't think Mancini's up to it, then fair enough, but managers aren't geniuses one match and f**kwits the next, so unless you've been unhappy with Mancini for most of last season, as well as most of this, to suddenly decide he's not good enough, based on a few performances in the CL is a bit ridiculous.

Yes, but the quality we behold as a team should not be hoping for refereeing decisions to go our away against teams like Ajax.

We should of beaten them fair and square with the team we have, we made a meal of it and made them look like Barcelona in the process.

 

[Blue Haze]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Thoughtful post.

To me it's not a kneejerk to tonight. I just can't see him making a miraculous transformation from terrible European manager to a top European manager. You can say our opponents have been difficult, but most have been assembled for less, many are as inexperienced as us, and we can't even beat the lesser squads of the Europa League like Sporting or a Ukrainian club.

 

[Gordyola]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

Sounds like an out post, looks like a out post, so is IMO an out post. Btw full of inaccuracies and contradictions

 

[dronefromsector7g]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

City have the better goal difference.