Nowt wrong with a winger that cuts inside and attacks the box. In fact they are very effective and win a lot free kicks, penos, etc. It's just that they have to be up to par, and I'm afraid AJ is not.blue order said:
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Why we struggle to break down compact defences [VIDEO]
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Here's my article on this…
<a class="postlink" href="http://bestofthebets.com/premier-league/features/city-need-time-not-width" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://bestofthebets.com/premier-league ... -not-width</a>
No doubt this is fascinating analysis from Neville, but I think it's a short-term vs long-term debate. It's up to the players to solve their own problems within the system and the team will grow stronger as a result. It's the same system home and away, so why the big difference? It all comes down to belief.
No matter who comes to the club, players should always have to adapt to Mancini, not the other way around. Short-term compromises lead to long-term instability.
Hope me posting the above link doesn't cause offence.
<a class="postlink" href="http://bestofthebets.com/premier-league/features/city-need-time-not-width" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://bestofthebets.com/premier-league ... -not-width</a>
No doubt this is fascinating analysis from Neville, but I think it's a short-term vs long-term debate. It's up to the players to solve their own problems within the system and the team will grow stronger as a result. It's the same system home and away, so why the big difference? It all comes down to belief.
No matter who comes to the club, players should always have to adapt to Mancini, not the other way around. Short-term compromises lead to long-term instability.
Hope me posting the above link doesn't cause offence.
MiguelMCFC
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I've been thinking a bit more about this, and here's something else to ponder...
Ask yourself this simple question: does Alex Ferguson still communicate with Gary Neville?
On top of that, ask yourself another: would Ferguson like to know (in advance) what Neville is going to say on TV? Then finally, ask yourself this: if there's a chance that Ferguson is still in contact with Neville and they discuss what might be said on TV, do you think he would encourage him to illustrate something that might be beneficial to City's title bid if it were really true?
Personally (and admittedly this might be nothing other than total paranoia), I'm inclined to think Neville has spoken with (perhaps even been briefed by) Ferguson before giving that whole tactical breakdown before last night's game.
I think Ferguson realises that frustration can set in now that people are beginning to question Mancini from a tactical perspective and it's a potential weakness for him to exploit. I'm not saying any great thought has gone into that analysis (you can sometimes give people too much credit) but I think it serves as a handy distraction technique.
I spoke at length with one of the UK's leading sports psychologists yesterday (I speak with him on a regular basis) and I got his take on these 'mind games' and, naturally, as a psychologist, he attaches a lot of weight to them. However, people are generally barking up the wrong tree when they read too much into the subtleties of these remarks, etc.
The aim of the game is simply to be a nuisance, to distract the other dressing room as much as possible (let them know you're there) and the cumulative effects can mount up, leading to lethargic performances (not unlike the one United experienced last night).
Those who are questioning Mancini right now should think carefully about whether they are being hoodwinked by mischief from Neville and Ferguson. The only thing that matters is that the players ignore United and Ferguson as best they can (which is out of our hands) and the fans keep any grievances about Mancini and his tactics to ourselves for the remaining eight games (which is firmly in our hands).
The time for criticism (constructive or otherwise) is in the summer.
Ask yourself this simple question: does Alex Ferguson still communicate with Gary Neville?
On top of that, ask yourself another: would Ferguson like to know (in advance) what Neville is going to say on TV? Then finally, ask yourself this: if there's a chance that Ferguson is still in contact with Neville and they discuss what might be said on TV, do you think he would encourage him to illustrate something that might be beneficial to City's title bid if it were really true?
Personally (and admittedly this might be nothing other than total paranoia), I'm inclined to think Neville has spoken with (perhaps even been briefed by) Ferguson before giving that whole tactical breakdown before last night's game.
I think Ferguson realises that frustration can set in now that people are beginning to question Mancini from a tactical perspective and it's a potential weakness for him to exploit. I'm not saying any great thought has gone into that analysis (you can sometimes give people too much credit) but I think it serves as a handy distraction technique.
I spoke at length with one of the UK's leading sports psychologists yesterday (I speak with him on a regular basis) and I got his take on these 'mind games' and, naturally, as a psychologist, he attaches a lot of weight to them. However, people are generally barking up the wrong tree when they read too much into the subtleties of these remarks, etc.
The aim of the game is simply to be a nuisance, to distract the other dressing room as much as possible (let them know you're there) and the cumulative effects can mount up, leading to lethargic performances (not unlike the one United experienced last night).
Those who are questioning Mancini right now should think carefully about whether they are being hoodwinked by mischief from Neville and Ferguson. The only thing that matters is that the players ignore United and Ferguson as best they can (which is out of our hands) and the fans keep any grievances about Mancini and his tactics to ourselves for the remaining eight games (which is firmly in our hands).
The time for criticism (constructive or otherwise) is in the summer.
Considering how many wingers we're being linked with at the minute, I think it's lesson learned and a remedy will be found in the summer. The only frustrating thing is that it hasn't been identified earlier, we might have laughed our way to the league with a Robben, Hazard, or Di Maria in the team. Get rid of Johnson, buy one of the best wingers out there and a lower profile one willing to sit on the bench more often so that we always have the option of two good wingers. Hazard/Di Maria/Robben/Gaitan/Muniain/Bale and Hoilett/El Ghanassy/Weiss/Mertens/Redmond, something like that (1 from each set). A player like Hazard or Muniain could also play in our regular system as they are not strictly wingers.
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Great video, proper insight and it's spot on.
To be honest alot of us have said this for about 4-5 months, don't know why we haven't done something about it sooner.
Johnson imo isn't good enough, he get's his chance and he doesn't take it. Even against the poor teams he's been woeful.
he runs 5 yards, stops the ball, takes it back 10 yards. Or receives the ball in space, but instead play's it back again.
And by far the most annoying thing, when he's on the wing and our right-back picks it up, he runs in-field!!!! yes in-field!!!! which then forces our player to go back himself.
on a 1 v1 scenario Johnson is better obviously, soon as he get's the ball he's doubled up on sometimes. Therefore creating extra space and using the extra man advantage.
But it doesn't happen, not the same person he was 12 months ago. Both on and off the pitch for that matter.
Go and sign Hazard now.
To be honest alot of us have said this for about 4-5 months, don't know why we haven't done something about it sooner.
Johnson imo isn't good enough, he get's his chance and he doesn't take it. Even against the poor teams he's been woeful.
he runs 5 yards, stops the ball, takes it back 10 yards. Or receives the ball in space, but instead play's it back again.
And by far the most annoying thing, when he's on the wing and our right-back picks it up, he runs in-field!!!! yes in-field!!!! which then forces our player to go back himself.
on a 1 v1 scenario Johnson is better obviously, soon as he get's the ball he's doubled up on sometimes. Therefore creating extra space and using the extra man advantage.
But it doesn't happen, not the same person he was 12 months ago. Both on and off the pitch for that matter.
Go and sign Hazard now.
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makes good points but anyone off here could have worked that out.
maybe playing johnson on the left for a few games, i know he's not been great but it maybe might open it for others.
maybe playing johnson on the left for a few games, i know he's not been great but it maybe might open it for others.
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Basically, no. The world is not against you.MiguelMCFC said:I've been thinking a bit more about this, and here's something else to ponder...
Ask yourself this simple question: does Alex Ferguson still communicate with Gary Neville?
On top of that, ask yourself another: would Ferguson like to know (in advance) what Neville is going to say on TV? Then finally, ask yourself this: if there's a chance that Ferguson is still in contact with Neville and they discuss what might be said on TV, do you think he would encourage him to illustrate something that might be beneficial to City's title bid if it were really true?
Personally (and admittedly this might be nothing other than total paranoia), I'm inclined to think Neville has spoken with (perhaps even been briefed by) Ferguson before giving that whole tactical breakdown before last night's game.
I think Ferguson realises that frustration can set in now that people are beginning to question Mancini from a tactical perspective and it's a potential weakness for him to exploit. I'm not saying any great thought has gone into that analysis (you can sometimes give people too much credit) but I think it serves as a handy distraction technique.
I spoke at length with one of the UK's leading sports psychologists yesterday (I speak with him on a regular basis) and I got his take on these 'mind games' and, naturally, as a psychologist, he attaches a lot of weight to them. However, people are generally barking up the wrong tree when they read too much into the subtleties of these remarks, etc.
The aim of the game is simply to be a nuisance, to distract the other dressing room as much as possible (let them know you're there) and the cumulative effects can mount up, leading to lethargic performances (not unlike the one United experienced last night).
Those who are questioning Mancini right now should think carefully about whether they are being hoodwinked by mischief from Neville and Ferguson. The only thing that matters is that the players ignore United and Ferguson as best they can (which is out of our hands) and the fans keep any grievances about Mancini and his tactics to ourselves for the remaining eight games (which is firmly in our hands).
The time for criticism (constructive or otherwise) is in the summer.
In the summer no doubt we'll finally get rid of Adebayor, Tevez, Santa Cruz and all the other players causing a dent in the wage bill opening a last chance at spending big.
We need a quality central midfielder to take the pressure off Yaya. We can't have another episode this year where he goes to the African Cup of nations and we go to pot. Martinez would be a perfect buy, he will captain Spain one day mark my words!
We also need a player who can worry the opposition, someone like Ribery, Ronaldo basically put any one of the best dribblers into this box! Hazard is an outstanding choice. He's fast and a hundred times more dependable than Johnson. Also two footed means he can play either side (swap).
Finally, i've been a Dzeko fan all along and he was great at the start of the season but he is definitely a confidence player and i just don't think he suits our method of play, he is good but i think he was bought for the number of goals he'd scored already rather than the goals he was going to score. At this level it's obvious that you can't carry anyone and he just seems fedup and unconfident in each game. I think we'd get the same if we signed Llorente although Bilbao play a similar style to us but still could represent risk. Therefore i think we have to go all out to get Cavani; first class finisher, fast and always has his eye on the goal.
If we have a team anything like this next season, fair play to anyone that beats us.
-----------Hart-------------
Richards--Kompany--Lescott--Clichy
-----------Martinez--------------
-----Hazard---Yaya--Silva-----------
------Aguero-----Cavani----------
We need a quality central midfielder to take the pressure off Yaya. We can't have another episode this year where he goes to the African Cup of nations and we go to pot. Martinez would be a perfect buy, he will captain Spain one day mark my words!
We also need a player who can worry the opposition, someone like Ribery, Ronaldo basically put any one of the best dribblers into this box! Hazard is an outstanding choice. He's fast and a hundred times more dependable than Johnson. Also two footed means he can play either side (swap).
Finally, i've been a Dzeko fan all along and he was great at the start of the season but he is definitely a confidence player and i just don't think he suits our method of play, he is good but i think he was bought for the number of goals he'd scored already rather than the goals he was going to score. At this level it's obvious that you can't carry anyone and he just seems fedup and unconfident in each game. I think we'd get the same if we signed Llorente although Bilbao play a similar style to us but still could represent risk. Therefore i think we have to go all out to get Cavani; first class finisher, fast and always has his eye on the goal.
If we have a team anything like this next season, fair play to anyone that beats us.
-----------Hart-------------
Richards--Kompany--Lescott--Clichy
-----------Martinez--------------
-----Hazard---Yaya--Silva-----------
------Aguero-----Cavani----------
rastus
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Freestyler said:Great video, proper insight and it's spot on.
To be honest alot of us have said this for about 4-5 months, don't know why we haven't done something about it sooner.
Johnson imo isn't good enough, he get's his chance and he doesn't take it. Even against the poor teams he's been woeful.
he runs 5 yards, stops the ball, takes it back 10 yards. Or receives the ball in space, but instead play's it back again.
And by far the most annoying thing, when he's on the wing and our right-back picks it up, he runs in-field!!!! yes in-field!!!! which then forces our player to go back himself.
on a 1 v1 scenario Johnson is better obviously, soon as he get's the ball he's doubled up on sometimes. Therefore creating extra space and using the extra man advantage.
But it doesn't happen, not the same person he was 12 months ago. Both on and off the pitch for that matter.
Go and sign Hazard now.
I think in the Jan window we were in for a winger (Italian), but that was dependant on the Tevez move. So it has been identified
Hazard would be perfect for us
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Hadn't seen that but once pointed out its glaringly obvious.
As was mentioned though, at home with a big pitch, can teams afford to give that much space to a full back? Perhaps this is why we do much better at home. Obviously with the bigger pitch away teams tire more towards the end of the game.
But I think you can take it a little further. Micah has had to cover for Vinnie in games, either as captain or as centre half and Zab just isn't the same threat, much as I like him. I do think if Micah is bombing on he IS that threat and teams DO worry about him.
Unfortunately, the other side isn't as good, and although Clichy is the better defender, he isn't a great threat going forward. Kolarov, on the other hand, can't defend, so does he stick or twist?
We're also missing that little bit of magic from the likes of Silva, Mario and Agüero as well.
As was mentioned though, at home with a big pitch, can teams afford to give that much space to a full back? Perhaps this is why we do much better at home. Obviously with the bigger pitch away teams tire more towards the end of the game.
But I think you can take it a little further. Micah has had to cover for Vinnie in games, either as captain or as centre half and Zab just isn't the same threat, much as I like him. I do think if Micah is bombing on he IS that threat and teams DO worry about him.
Unfortunately, the other side isn't as good, and although Clichy is the better defender, he isn't a great threat going forward. Kolarov, on the other hand, can't defend, so does he stick or twist?
We're also missing that little bit of magic from the likes of Silva, Mario and Agüero as well.