Will we be the new passing side?

[Sabster]

Possession is all well & good........ If you have a lethal attack.

Yesterday you're attacking weapons were SWP, Tevez & Silva.

Tevez there is the only one who is a real goal threat, Silva is a good player for possession, SWP, should be sold.

If you have Yaya, Silva & Milner in midfield you'd be straight with Adébayor, Balotelli & Tevez up top, there you have possession, goals, grit, & intensity.

The way I see it, it's pretty simple.

If Milner signs it will be SWP's place he'll take.

No it won't

 

[MonsallBlue]

The posession was good. The goals will come when players get used to each other again.

I saw a few times when we passed the ball into space where nobody was as they had either stopped a run or ran the other way. Takes time but it will come. I still cant help but think Tevez needs help up top from a bigger lad. Most likely have Mario or Ade next to him in home games or so called "easier" teams away from home.

Would love to see us unleash Mario against the dippers for 30 mins at the end rather than throw him straight in

Edit:- just to add we were caught in posession from behind a fair few times. Communication needs to improve.

 

[samharris]

61% of possession at WHL. Will we be the new Arsenal? Looked great on the ball at times with Yaya bossing the ball in the middle and smart players like Silva.

Need to see some end product to the possession

"Need to see some end product to the possession"[/quote]


Thats excactly what twitcher thought at half time :)

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

Possession is all well & good........ If you have a lethal attack.

Yesterday you're attacking weapons were SWP, Tevez & Silva.

Tevez there is the only one who is a real goal threat, Silva is a good player for possession, SWP, should be sold.

If you have Yaya, Silva & Milner in midfield you'd be straight with Adébayor, Balotelli & Tevez up top, there you have possession, goals, grit, & intensity.

The way I see it, it's pretty simple.

Great shout, I think thats how mancini wants to play, pushing Silva forward and bringing in Nige when we play away against the top teams. I fanybody thinks its to attacking, you just need to look at Spain and Barca, the top 2 teams of the past decade and look at the formation, its exactly the same.

 

[gmtx]

If you've not seen it already, you should check out this article:

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/08...s-dominate-but-hart-keeps-it-level/#more-4021

Makes some interesting points about how our midfield trio of Barry, de Jong and Toure really dominated possession and had great pass completion rates. The article says although we weren't at our best against Spurs, once the players start to gel and this new system gets refined, it could become very successful, especially in difficult away games like this.

 

[PSmyth07]

I cannot see De Jong, Yaya and Barry in the centre working.
All the top teams have a midfield that drifts around the pitch, giving the other teams midfield something to think about.

I just think that our midfield is easy to defend against because all you have to do is stand them up and alls they do is pass it back or out wide, thats why the stats show us to have more possession because thats what Tottenham done yesterday.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

61% of possession at WHL. Will we be the new Arsenal? Looked great on the ball at times with Yaya bossing the ball in the middle and smart players like Silva.

Need to see some end product to the possession

Once the likes of Bergkamp and Pires left, possession was all The Arse have seemed to have. Hope we see summat on the end of all the passing.

 

[1.618034]

If you've not seen it already, you should check out this article:

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/08...s-dominate-but-hart-keeps-it-level/#more-4021

Makes some interesting points about how our midfield trio of Barry, de Jong and Toure really dominated possession and had great pass completion rates. The article says although we weren't at our best against Spurs, once the players start to gel and this new system gets refined, it could become very successful, especially in difficult away games like this.

Great site that. Here's the full article for those that can't link:

Tottenham 0-0 Man City: Spurs dominate but Hart keeps it level
August 15, 2010

The starting line-ups

An excellent game to get the new Premier League season up and running. No goals, but tremendous entertainment and some interesting tactical elements too.

Tottenham lined up with ten of the eleven who were involved in the penultimate game of last season against City – Vedran Corluka in for Younes Kaboul was the only changed.

Roberto Mancini chose to field new signings Aleksandar Kolarov, David Silva and Yaya Toure, in a defensive-minded 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 that essentially featured three holding midfielders.

The key to the game was all about who could control the tempo. The two sides had completely different approaches – Spurs played quick balls to the wingers who looked to run at the City full-backs, and they played at an incredibly high tempo as they dominated the opening period.

Spurs had a host of efforts on goal in the first 15 minutes but found Joe Hart in excellent form – he made multiple outstanding saves to deny Tottenham. Most of the chances came when Spurs got the ball wide and got crosses in – direct balls to the front two were dealt with reasonably well by Kolo Toure and Vincent Kompany.

City struggled to maintain possession of the ball early on, despite their three central midfielders, and therefore were unable to slow the pace of the game. Hart hit a couple of hopeless long balls towards Tevez upfront, where he had little chance of getting the better of Michael Dawson and Ledley King in the air. Tottenham were defending with two solid banks of four, but City rarely looked to get their midfielders or full-backs into attacking positions early on, so they were often faced with a 3 v 8 situation when trying to break down the Spurs defence.

City improve

Eventually Spurs had to drop the pressure slightly after their frantic opening to the game, and City gradually grew into the contest – the more they had possession, the more their shape had an interesting look to it. Tevez played possibly the most exaggerated false nine role possible – picking up the ball in incredibly deep positions and letting Silva and Shaun Wright-Phillips attempt diagonal, out-in runs in behind the Spurs defence.

Meanwhile, the three central midfielders had one clear job – to keep the ball. The amazing pass completion rates of Gareth Barry (56 out of 59), Yaya Toure (68 out of 70, below) and Nigel de Jong (55 out of 59) demonstrate that, and the more they kept the ball, the better defensive job they did (remember, Sid Lowe believes Spain’s tiki-taka style is a better defensive tactic than attacking one).


by Guardian Chalkboards

The primary reason for this was that they forced Tottenham into abandoning their two-striker formation, as one of them (generally Defoe) was forced to drop back deep into midfield and help out. Often he would try and get goalside of one of the City’s midfielders, but on another occasion he found himself tracking Kolarov’s run from left-back – with City outnumbering Spurs 3 v 2 in the centre of midfield, Aaron Lennon was sometimes forced inside and left Kolarov free.

Spurs still on top

That said, Spurs were still creating the better chances, and it’s difficult to understand what they were doing wrong other than not providing the finishing touches to some excellent moves. This was seemingly what Harry Redknapp thought too, for he chose to remove the ineffectual Crouch-Defoe partnership in favour of Roman Pavlyuchenko and Robbie Keane midway through the second half, rather than actually changing the formation as a whole, or substituting players involved in build-up play.

Kolarov’s half-time injury may have helped City, because his replacement Pablo Zabaleta dealt far better with Aaron Lennon. This seemed to allow Micah Richards to push on on the opposite side (in the first half, Kolarov had been the main attacking threat) and he started to push Bale into more defensive positions.

In the second half both sides became slightly tired – maybe to be expected on the opening day of the season, and considering the nature of the first 15 minutes. City’s ball retention meant the pace of the game slowed and it became a more static contest, although Barry took up more advanced and wider positions, playing almost as a carrilero rather than a basic central midfielder.

No goals

What both sides lacked was a central midfielder looking to connect with the strikers – City’s central three were conservative, whilst Luka Modric and Tom Huddlestone combined only completed two passes to any of the four strikers that featured for Spurs, partly as a result of being up against a three, partly because that was Spurs’ gameplan.

The game deserved a goal, but on the opening day, a draw between last season’s 4th and 5th-placed sides was perhaps to be expected.

Conclusion

Little to talk about from a tactical point of view about Spurs, though they were the better side, creating more chances. Hart was the best player on the pitch by some distance, and on a few occasions Spurs lacked a little luck.

Mancini’s defensive-minded formation will come in for some criticism, but one suspects he got the result he was looking for. The three central midfielders actually did their job rather well, but Tevez dropped too deep considering neither Silva nor Wright-Phillips were comfortable in becoming the temporary centre-forward when he did. Wright-Phillips wasted City’s best chance, through on goal with a bouncing ball, but he didn’t even manage to get a shot away.

With so many new arrivals it’s difficult to predict City’s formation, but this 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 might be Mancini’s preferred system for ‘big’ games, particularly tricky away trips. It needs some refining, but he’s not too far away from something that works quite nicely.

 

[kenzie115]

61% of possession at WHL. Will we be the new Arsenal? Looked great on the ball at times with Yaya bossing the ball in the middle and smart players like Silva.

I'm presuming you got the 61% figure from Sky Sport's website, only the BBC have us at 46%:

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This seems like an awful big difference.

I know the official site has us with 60% so it would seem the BBC are wrong but how can they have got it so wrong?

 

[malg]

61% of possession at WHL. Will we be the new Arsenal? Looked great on the ball at times with Yaya bossing the ball in the middle and smart players like Silva.

Need to see some end product to the possession

Christ, I didn't know we had 61% of possession! Agree with your point about end product, but I think that will come in home games and away games against lesser opposition.