''Will we ever have 5 local lads in the first team again"

gordondaviesmoustache said:
My grandad's butchers in North Manchester in the 60's and 70's used to sell two types of cheese: Cheddar and Cheshire.

Why do people think football operates in some sort of social vacuum? The world has changed and so has football.


lol that was very forward thinking in the 60's bet your grandad never realised he was a post modernist butcher can see your point m8 they used to sell tripe in a sort of specialist shop on market street in the 60's wonder if blue moan will want that bringing back
 
jimmy blue shoes said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
My grandad's butchers in North Manchester in the 60's and 70's used to sell two types of cheese: Cheddar and Cheshire.

Why do people think football operates in some sort of social vacuum? The world has changed and so has football.


No crumbly lancs? WTF!
I think it was considered a bit upmarket for M40 at the time, mate.

The meat was that bad there, that my dad used to go to one in Collyhurst instead (Jocks iirc) rather than get it for free from my grandad. The steaks were usually a delightful shade of grey. He used to soak them in bleach when they were going off, according to my brother. An endless source of comedy gold, that shop.

Back to the OP, I think any more that one local in the first team, and by that I would say from within 20 miles of Manchester, would be an achievement. As I posted last night the world has changed. People are much more mobile now that they were back when (as others have said) Corrigan, Booth, Power, Barnes and Clements were in the side and that cuts both ways. That said if we could develop some genuine local talent that would be a fantastic thing and would give us players who we could really get properly attached to over the course of their careers. united's strong attachment to their local players in Scholes, Neville and Giggs (although not born locally) is understandable and something we should be looking to emulate as much as possible, as it creates a bedrock of players who 'get' the club. This could be the greatest legacy of the academy.

But five? No chance.
 
dxbroy said:
Caveman said:
dxbroy said:
2011 figures:
Metropolitan Borough and City of Manchester, 502900
Greater Manchester, 2682000
(Wikipedia has its uses)
They are correct. The city region is different to those two though.

You have me intrigued mate, not having a go or anything but what do you consider to be the 'city region' of Manchester?

The definition that Govt has used in the past is the 10 GM local authorities plus Warrington, Congleton, Macclesfield and a couple of other Cheshire districts, and High Peak.

So the population is greater than the GM area, not less.

But this was all pre-2010 - I don't think the Manchester City Region concept currently has much currency with the Coalition, it's all about Localism now.
 
No I'd say the CITY region is pretty much current, but it's not important. Local to me is anywhere within a 30 mile radius of the CITY of Manchester. To say Bury, Oldham, Stockport or even Trafford is out in the sticks is rediculous. So Chadderton or Failsworth, Radcliff or Reddish, or indeed Stretford or Sale are not local? Mike Doyle was born in Ashton, he played for Stockport Boys and was City through and through till he died. Didn't mean to spark off a geography debate; point is the local area is wide enough to produce local talent, however, I wouldn't expect to see 5 local lads in our team, in this day and age.
 
I never quite understand why it's always this question that gets asked when this "localisation" phenomenon draws this question out. Why do we never discuss why Sheikh Mansour or Francis Lee weren't hounded for not being from Manchester (Lee is from Bolton, not the city itself), why one of the girls behind the serving counters at the stadium sounds distinctly like she's from Sheffield but isn't working at Sheffields United or Wednesday (I'm making this up but I'm sure the sentiment goes for at least one bar staff), or why our local schools don't insist on only accepting Manchester-born students. Why do we not insist on taking holidays within the city of Manchester every year?

I'm not even sure what the advantage to only playing (or even, having only half a team of) Manchester-born players would be. The idea is that you have players who only care for the team and never want to move to another club in their whole career, yes? Well if you had a squad of Mancs, several of them would support the rags, Chelsea or Liverpool anyway, most likely, so wouldn't that be counter-productive? On the other hand, by this point in time most likely more than half our UK-support live outside Manchester anyway - I've lived in Hertfordshire my whole life since my mum moved from just outside Stockport before I was born, and if I were a talented footballer (I'm horrendous) I'd give my right arm to stay at the club my whole life, even if I were just warming the bench. Surely a better question is "will we ever have 5 born City fans in the first team again?" and drop the whole Manchester thing entirely?

I understand the tradition and I know you need to ground yourself to an extent - you could push my argument to its logical extent and argue that we shouldn't even have a stadium in Manchester but should roam around, and I think that's stupid. But come on. City were the second team in England (and possibly the world) to play a foreign national in their team, all the way back in 1893, so why the sudden belief that City should only play local kids?

People just need to accept that the world has globalised now and it makes no sense to think geographically anymore - not unless you are happy with your club only ever enjoying success at the local level, anyway.
 
dxbroy said:
Caveman said:
dxbroy said:
2011 figures:
Metropolitan Borough and City of Manchester, 502900
Greater Manchester, 2682000
(Wikipedia has its uses)
They are correct. The city region is different to those two though.

You have me intrigued mate, not having a go or anything but what do you consider to be the 'city region' of Manchester?
longsight,gorton moston,levvy moss side, cheetham hill, Town, beswick, ardwick, cholton on medlock, fallowfield. withington, hulm, ancoats,monton, not sure about didsbury... ahh burnage,rusholmwest gorton, sure to be a few iv missed (not sure about blackley & droylsden) ahh colleyhurst Clayton newton heath...whythenshaw.. dont Think northenden iis though
 

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