Women who lie about rape?

[bluegirl83]

Was talking about this with a friend a couple of weeks ago. She had an old friend from when she was younger who had a one night stand and then the next week when the lad didn't remember her accused him of assaulting her. They all disowned her for it. In my opinion the person making false allegations should get the same custodial sentence as what the accused would have got if found guilty. False accusations can ruin lives, you'll always have the stigma attached to you and people with the mindset of there's no smoke without fire.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Was talking about this with a friend a couple of weeks ago. She had an old friend from when she was younger who had a one night stand and then the next week when the lad didn't remember her accused him of assaulting her. They all disowned her for it. In my opinion the person making false allegations should get the same custodial sentence as what the accused would have got if found guilty. False accusations can ruin lives, you'll always have the stigma attached to you and people with the mindset of there's no smoke without fire.

I can't quite see the logic here.
Clearly fake rape claims are an awful thing that can damage lives and reputations, but surely they shouldn't attract the same sentence as an actual rape?
Folk on here have falsely accused others of murder, but as far as I'm aware none of them are currently serving a life sentence.

 

[SWP's back]

Was talking about this with a friend a couple of weeks ago. She had an old friend from when she was younger who had a one night stand and then the next week when the lad didn't remember her accused him of assaulting her. They all disowned her for it. In my opinion the person making false allegations should get the same custodial sentence as what the accused would have got if found guilty. False accusations can ruin lives, you'll always have the stigma attached to you and people with the mindset of there's no smoke without fire.

I can't quite see the logic here.
Clearly fake rape claims are an awful thing that can damage lives and reputations, but surely they shouldn't attract the same sentence as an actual rape?
Folk on here have falsely accused others of murder, but as far as I'm aware none of them are currently serving a life sentence.

I actually do understand the logic. If someone makes a false claim to try and get someone 15/20 years or whatever, then why shouldn't they have their liberties taken away for the same length of time that their victim would have if they'd been successful?

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Was talking about this with a friend a couple of weeks ago. She had an old friend from when she was younger who had a one night stand and then the next week when the lad didn't remember her accused him of assaulting her. They all disowned her for it. In my opinion the person making false allegations should get the same custodial sentence as what the accused would have got if found guilty. False accusations can ruin lives, you'll always have the stigma attached to you and people with the mindset of there's no smoke without fire.

I can't quite see the logic here.
Clearly fake rape claims are an awful thing that can damage lives and reputations, but surely they shouldn't attract the same sentence as an actual rape?
Folk on here have falsely accused others of murder, but as far as I'm aware none of them are currently serving a life sentence.

I actually do understand the logic. If someone makes a false claim to try and get someone 15/20 years or whatever, then why shouldn't they have their liberties taken away for the same length of time that their victim would have if they'd been successful?

Because accusing someone of a crime isn't as bad as committing that crime.
Plenty of folk on here were ready to form a lynch mob and pay Jo Yeates' landlord a visit.
Should we put them all inside for life?
By that logic those lawyers who prosecute murderers should get life if the accused is found to be innocent.

 

[tidyman]

Was talking about this with a friend a couple of weeks ago. She had an old friend from when she was younger who had a one night stand and then the next week when the lad didn't remember her accused him of assaulting her. They all disowned her for it. In my opinion the person making false allegations should get the same custodial sentence as what the accused would have got if found guilty. False accusations can ruin lives, you'll always have the stigma attached to you and people with the mindset of there's no smoke without fire.

I can't quite see the logic here.
Clearly fake rape claims are an awful thing that can damage lives and reputations, but surely they shouldn't attract the same sentence as an actual rape?
Folk on here have falsely accused others of murder, but as far as I'm aware none of them are currently serving a life sentence.

I actually do understand the logic. If someone makes a false claim to try and get someone 15/20 years or whatever, then why shouldn't they have their liberties taken away for the same length of time that their victim would have if they'd been successful?

It's a ridiculous argument that doesn't stand up to any sort of reasoning. And in any case, sentencing for rape vary from a minimum of an undefined custodial sentence to life imprisonment. So how could you possibly say what sentence the person would have got if they had been convicted of a crime they haven't commited anyway?

 

[SWP's back]

I can't quite see the logic here.
Clearly fake rape claims are an awful thing that can damage lives and reputations, but surely they shouldn't attract the same sentence as an actual rape?
Folk on here have falsely accused others of murder, but as far as I'm aware none of them are currently serving a life sentence.

I actually do understand the logic. If someone makes a false claim to try and get someone 15/20 years or whatever, then why shouldn't they have their liberties taken away for the same length of time that their victim would have if they'd been successful?

Because accusing someone of a crime isn't as bad as committing that crime.
Plenty of folk on here were ready to form a lynch mob and pay Jo Yeates' landlord a visit.
Should we put them all inside for life?
By that logic those lawyers who prosecute murderers should get life if the accused is found to be innocent.

You call that logic?

As far as I am aware, no prosecution lawyer has knowingly and wilfully tried perverting the course of justice by knowingly making false accusations of murder.

There is a world of difference between making knowingly false claims and thinking someone may be guilty.<br /><br />-- Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:04 am --<br /><br />

I can't quite see the logic here.
Clearly fake rape claims are an awful thing that can damage lives and reputations, but surely they shouldn't attract the same sentence as an actual rape?
Folk on here have falsely accused others of murder, but as far as I'm aware none of them are currently serving a life sentence.

I actually do understand the logic. If someone makes a false claim to try and get someone 15/20 years or whatever, then why shouldn't they have their liberties taken away for the same length of time that their victim would have if they'd been successful?

It's a ridiculous argument that doesn't stand up to any sort of reasoning. And in any case, sentencing for rape vary from a minimum of an undefined custodial sentence to life imprisonment. So how could you possibly say what sentence the person would have got if they had been convicted of a crime they haven't commited anyway?

Well perverting the course of justice already carries a maximum sentence of life so no legislation is needed.

 

[tidyman]

I actually do understand the logic. If someone makes a false claim to try and get someone 15/20 years or whatever, then why shouldn't they have their liberties taken away for the same length of time that their victim would have if they'd been successful?

Because accusing someone of a crime isn't as bad as committing that crime.
Plenty of folk on here were ready to form a lynch mob and pay Jo Yeates' landlord a visit.
Should we put them all inside for life?
By that logic those lawyers who prosecute murderers should get life if the accused is found to be innocent.

You call that logic?

As far as I am aware, no prosecution lawyer has knowingly and wilfully tried perverting the course of justice by knowingly making false accusations of murder.

There is a world of difference between making knowingly false claims and thinking someone may be guilty.

-- Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:04 am --

I actually do understand the logic. If someone makes a false claim to try and get someone 15/20 years or whatever, then why shouldn't they have their liberties taken away for the same length of time that their victim would have if they'd been successful?

It's a ridiculous argument that doesn't stand up to any sort of reasoning. And in any case, sentencing for rape vary from a minimum of an undefined custodial sentence to life imprisonment. So how could you possibly say what sentence the person would have got if they had been convicted of a crime they haven't commited anyway?

Well perverting the course of justice already carries a maximum sentence of life so no legislation is needed.

I'm not saying new legislation would be needed. People are saying the accuser should get the same sentence the accused would have got. Which could have been anything from a week to life. But there's no way of knowing what a sentence would have been for a crime that didn't happen. Even if there was it's still bullshit.

 

[didactic]

Was talking about this with a friend a couple of weeks ago. She had an old friend from when she was younger who had a one night stand and then the next week when the lad didn't remember her accused him of assaulting her. They all disowned her for it. In my opinion the person making false allegations should get the same custodial sentence as what the accused would have got if found guilty. False accusations can ruin lives, you'll always have the stigma attached to you and people with the mindset of there's no smoke without fire.

I can't quite see the logic here.
Clearly fake rape claims are an awful thing that can damage lives and reputations, but surely they shouldn't attract the same sentence as an actual rape?
Folk on here have falsely accused others of murder, but as far as I'm aware none of them are currently serving a life sentence.

Having an opinion and getting a person arrested and accused of a heinous crime like rape are two different things. Being accused of rape can ruin your life, your career your reputation and just like most things once its stuck its almost impossible to unstick. I have had girls dangle this very thing over my head just because I did not want a relationship.
Girls with boyfriends/husbands especially when caught in lies are starting to use this more and more frequently. For that reason is a man can be sent to jail for a long period of time so should they for doing the same thing. What is worse than being labelled a rapist?

 

[The Flash]

What is worse than being labelled a rapist?

Being a rapist?

 

[SWP's back]

Even if there was it's still bullshit.

Why? A false rape accusation of rape can have just as long standing repercussions on a person's life as an actual rape can, if not more so, in terms of losing friends, family, career, not to mention the stigma attached to anyone, even if exonerated, that has had a rape allegation made against them. It can literally ruin a person's life.

 

[BlueHammer85]

What is worse than being labelled a rapist?

Being a ginger rapist?

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Was talking about this with a friend a couple of weeks ago. She had an old friend from when she was younger who had a one night stand and then the next week when the lad didn't remember her accused him of assaulting her. They all disowned her for it. In my opinion the person making false allegations should get the same custodial sentence as what the accused would have got if found guilty. False accusations can ruin lives, you'll always have the stigma attached to you and people with the mindset of there's no smoke without fire.

I can't quite see the logic here.
Clearly fake rape claims are an awful thing that can damage lives and reputations, but surely they shouldn't attract the same sentence as an actual rape?
Folk on here have falsely accused others of murder, but as far as I'm aware none of them are currently serving a life sentence.

I think if the law said knowingly making a false claim of rape would get you 20 years in prison then it would stop bitter twisted women using it as a weapon. A mate of mine had to emigrate thanks to some mega bitch accusing him. Even when it all came out as lies he was still beaten up in the area and disowned, starred at. he couldn't escape the tag even though it was all lies

 

[Blue Smarties]

I can't quite see the logic here.
Clearly fake rape claims are an awful thing that can damage lives and reputations, but surely they shouldn't attract the same sentence as an actual rape?
Folk on here have falsely accused others of murder, but as far as I'm aware none of them are currently serving a life sentence.

I actually do understand the logic. If someone makes a false claim to try and get someone 15/20 years or whatever, then why shouldn't they have their liberties taken away for the same length of time that their victim would have if they'd been successful?

Because accusing someone of a crime isn't as bad as committing that crime.
Plenty of folk on here were ready to form a lynch mob and pay Jo Yeates' landlord a visit.
Should we put them all inside for life?
By that logic those lawyers who prosecute murderers should get life if the accused is found to be innocent.

Hearing and seeing what these two went through because of this tart, something needs to be done. They weren't even with her at the time of the alleged incident. Both had their phones seized by police for a few months - work contacts, photos etc - taken and no time given for how long. If I remember rightly, they had to attend meetings, often during work hours. One became a father the other week, at a time he and his family should have been looking forward to becoming a parent/grand-parent they were going through this hell.

When I bumped into them on the train back from Manchester the other week, they said they weren't letting it bother them because they knew their innocence although I could see deep down it was hurting.

Luckily their careers haven't been affected and they have a largely supportive friendship group.

 

[tidyman]

Even if there was it's still bullshit.

Why? A false rape accusation of rape can have just as long standing repercussions on a person's life as an actual rape can, if not more so, in terms of losing friends, family, career, not to mention the stigma attached to anyone, even if exonerated, that has had a rape allegation made against them. It can literally ruin a person's life.

Ok, I'll change it to, in my opinion it is bullshit. And as far as I'm aware there are no precedents in law for people been sentenced in this way. So I don't think I'm alone in thinking it's a stupid idea.

It seems like everyone's got a best mate who's been falsely accused of rape. I'm not accusing anyone on here of lying but these claims are that rare that either everyone must have the same best mate or there's an exceptionally disproportinate number of those rare cases that are known about to people on here.

 

[bluegirl83]

Was talking about this with a friend a couple of weeks ago. She had an old friend from when she was younger who had a one night stand and then the next week when the lad didn't remember her accused him of assaulting her. They all disowned her for it. In my opinion the person making false allegations should get the same custodial sentence as what the accused would have got if found guilty. False accusations can ruin lives, you'll always have the stigma attached to you and people with the mindset of there's no smoke without fire.

I can't quite see the logic here.
Clearly fake rape claims are an awful thing that can damage lives and reputations, but surely they shouldn't attract the same sentence as an actual rape?
Folk on here have falsely accused others of murder, but as far as I'm aware none of them are currently serving a life sentence.

I think if the law said knowingly making a false claim of rape would get you 20 years in prison then it would stop bitter twisted women using it as a weapon. A mate of mine had to emigrate thanks to some mega bitch accusing him. Even when it all came out as lies he was still beaten up in the area and disowned, starred at. he couldn't escape the tag even though it was all lies

I hope your friends doing better. This is what I was thinking. If there was a set sentence for false allegations then maybe it would be a deterrent.

 

[SWP's back]

Even if there was it's still bullshit.

Why? A false rape accusation of rape can have just as long standing repercussions on a person's life as an actual rape can, if not more so, in terms of losing friends, family, career, not to mention the stigma attached to anyone, even if exonerated, that has had a rape allegation made against them. It can literally ruin a person's life.

Ok, I'll change it to, in my opinion it is bullshit. And as far as I'm aware there are no precedents in law for people been sentenced in this way. So I don't think I'm alone in thinking it's a stupid idea.

It seems like everyone's got a best mate who's been falsely accused of rape. I'm not accusing anyone on here of lying but these claims are that rare that either everyone must have the same best mate or there's an exceptionally disproportinate number of those rare cases that are known about to people on here.

It is rare that they are called "false" in the sense we are talking about but there are thousands that don't lead to a conviction every year.

Though a bit of googling shows the conviction rate is up to 63%.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/apr/23/rape-conviction-rate-high" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/ ... -rate-high</a>

I thought it was a lot lower than that.

 

[Bigga]

Seriously murky waters, in some aspects. Of course the clear cut rapes are on a different level and should be acted upon accordingly. There's been a new shift, in the last year and half, towards the right to change minds within the course of consensual penetrative acts.

I know that a decent man should have self discipline to stop intercourse at the request of his partner, however, this rule becomes problematic if after any fulfilled deeds, the guilt of the woman leads her to say that she asked the man to stop and he didn't.

How does one determine a 'truth' without polygraph help??

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Seriously murky waters, in some aspects. Of course the clear cut rapes are on a different level and should be acted upon accordingly. There's been a new shift, in the last year and half, towards the right to change minds within the course of consensual penetrative acts.

I know that a decent man should have self discipline to stop intercourse at the request of his partner, however, this rule becomes problematic if after any fulfilled deeds, the guilt of the woman leads her to say that she asked the man to stop and he didn't.

How does one determine a 'truth' without polygraph help??

Polygraphs can be tricked though so will never be used as evidence. Like you said they are truly murky waters these days

 

[stonie]

Seriously murky waters, in some aspects. Of course the clear cut rapes are on a different level and should be acted upon accordingly. There's been a new shift, in the last year and half, towards the right to change minds within the course of consensual penetrative acts.

I know that a decent man should have self discipline to stop intercourse at the request of his partner, however, this rule becomes problematic if after any fulfilled deeds, the guilt of the woman leads her to say that she asked the man to stop and he didn't.

How does one determine a 'truth' without polygraph help??

Polygraphs can be tricked though so will never be used as evidence. Like you said they are truly murky waters these days

Can be tricked but but not used in a court of law even though 99.5% accurate...

 

[BlueHammer85]

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