Woolwich killing

[dazdon]

Re: Woolich killing

WTF is "Urban music" and how does the sale of it prove multiculturalism is working?

 

[rastus]

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"Send the bastards home" What London, Manchester, Cardiff, Birmingham, Leeds and Bradford etc etc??

These lunatics are home grown terrorists and the government has a lot to answer for! We are too soft on extremists, we are letting extreme Muslims run riot in our cities and it's coming to a head. Some of the stuff that is going on in some mosques around the country is beyond belief, we don't know the half of it.

Preachers of hate need to be sorted out as soon as they start, top down addressing of the problem will work. Take out the extremists and others can't believe in what they say.

Yep, unfortunately that's the way it is

 

[kiam06]

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Not sure why this is being described as a terrorist attack it looks like a couple of nutters to me.

Strange how things can be worded.

 

[argyle]

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Each and everyone one of these ***** should be prosecuted within the full power of the law. If a law doesn't exist for inciting this kind of religious/rascial hatred the government should pass one in parliament and take retrospective action against the them.

As today is a very very sad day and those evil twisted bastards in the above picture have finally got exactly what they wanted.

R.I.P. The poor sod that was murdered today in London. I don't even know the poor guys name, fucking hell.

Didn't some of them get prosecuted? I know those who burned the poppies did.

Unfortunately there is the grey area of 'free speech' even when somethings people say can be very offensive.

Calling for people to murder one another is a line that should not be crossed it doesn't matter what the context. I could not give a flying fuck about free speech when that gives someone the right to instigate/will/????? (i can't think of the right word sorry) murder.

That's why I said it's a grey area, and I don't know the solution.

We must remember though, the members of the group that did this with its leader Anjem Choudary is very small and hated by other Muslims.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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Personally I cannot laugh at cartoons about people with poor personal hygiene. That Disney always insisted on Mickey Mouse having clean fingernails should give us pause for thought.

Hong Kong Fuey's personal hygiene left a lot to be desired. His B.O. was anything but "mild mannered".

Are you two for real?

"Could be......"

 

[rastus]

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Not sure why this is being described as a terrorist attack it looks like a couple of nutters to me.

Strange how things can be worded.

lol

 

[roaminblue]

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evolve a bit more? If "evolving" consists of standing by while a fucked up part of a generally very good religion, insists on blowing innocent British people up and we stand by and do nothing about it, then i would rather not "evolve".

Also, you may want to check the meaning of the word evolve in the dictionary. It mean adapting and to get better over time. How is this situation doing any of that? It's going backwards if anything.

Rick, I don't mean to be patronising, but I can tell that your comments are fueled by anger, rather than the idiocy of others in this thread.

You are right that most Muslims don't commit acts like this. Muslims for peace in the us, for example, contributed 11,000 pints of blood to victims of an attack.

The thing is, our security services are trying to do just that. They are trying to find those who would commit acts like this, and are trying to prevent these terrible scenes.

After the Boston bombings, a security analyst commented that it is easier to track those with associations to established terror groups, but almost impossible to track individual lunatics. This makes sense, because their communication is much less, their collective conversations are reduced to say two individuals, and there is no opportunity to utilise resources or infiltrate "cells".

The problem with taking the stance of "kick em out" is that it creates hostility. Suddenly every Muslim could be looked on with suspicion, brought in for questioning etc. This hostility breeds contempt and rather than solve an issue could in fact create more hatred.

This is why the key always has to lie with positive action. Not because I'm a leftie or I am human rights crazy, but because I love being British, I love living in England and I want this to be a place where everyone can live alongside one another.

Not create numerous siege mentalities, whip up more hatred, and fail to tackle the problem at a grass root level.

Firstly I would like to say thank you for at least trying to understand my points. Yes to a certain extent they are fuelled by anger, who wouldn't be angered by today's scenes? After reading what you said about how things are trying to be figured out and how as a multi cultural society to just try to move on, in principle it does work. But the reality of it, is that it isn't working. Thankfully we have t returned to the scenes that hit many towns and cities across northern Britain with the "race riots", but I feel that there is a stronger multi cultural devide now, than back then. Years, and even decades down the line this approach you mention clearly isn't working. Yet another terrorist attack today proves this, thankfully it was only one innocent man killed today, not a bus or tube train filled with innocent commuters, or people in a Glasgow airport going on holiday who were attacked. I just don't see an end to this, without radical extremists big removed/cultured into something different.

Absolutely, and it was the "anger" remark that I was worried you'd find patronising. But of course, its a terrible situation and it angers me immensely also.

You are right. There are very strongly defined cultural divides in this country. Many Muslims live in poor areas, many are poorly educated. This creates tension when a community emerges next to an indigenous population in a similar demographic. However, often this is due to governmental action. Dewsbury, for example. The Pakistani community there emerged when the government at the time relocated two entire towns from Pakistan and repositioned them locally for cheap labour. No English language lessons, nothing. They never had a chance.

This is why increased socialization and education within communities is so essential. For the Islamic communities and white, British communities to exist peacefully, it is imperative that we find commonalities. For example, there is a children's orchestra in Israel that is comprised of half Israeli, half Palestinian musicians.

We cannot simply resort to suggesting we kick out terrorists. We should leave that to the police, and hope that it is not always post hoc.

Educating and socialising is hard. But it must be done, before youths of all creeds become even further disenfranchised.

 

[Chev Chelios]

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Rivers of blood!

twat

Thanks!

 

[Why Always Ste]

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Big H ‏@iamhamdi1 2h
MANDEM IN WOOLWICH CHASING THE EDL LIKE ITS A MUSIC VIDEO

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[Josh Blue]

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How are you allowed in Didsbury?

Surely you are at least barred from the Cheese Hamlet?

I do hope so. The thought of the organic Gruyère being contaminated is too much for me to bear.

Are you one of those gays from the tv programme vicious?

Ohh so you have a problem with homosexuals as well? Casual homophobia.

You really do seem like a nice well rounded, educated guy. Nice to meet you.