Woolwich killing

[mackenzie]

R.I.P

Where did we change as a society so that the murder of one person causes more fear, outrage, changes in law, and general insanity than our parents and grand parents generation. They were hearing of thousands dying on a daily basis. The country did not go insane then so why are we seemingly doing that now?

Because then we knew the enemy.

 

[johnmc]

Reading between the lines it seems some people justify or refuse to condemn this attack as attacks on innocent civilians by the British forces have been going on for years and their numbers are in the hundreds, thousands or whatever that number may be.

Now in my eyes two wrongs, if you consider both wrong, do not make a right. And if you don't consider one or the other wrong then I have little time for you. This thread is about the lad, a local lad who was butchered. No doubting the foreign policy has affected these and other young men and their extremist views. But surely that's for another thread, and not in here with the undertones that this murder can be justified by another atrocity when their is no justification whatsoever.

 

[jimharri]

I thought the debate on BBC news was interesting; the one about how the Internet is allowing evil bastards to radicalise those like the two yesterday.
What is a great invention and communication tool is also allowing evil organisations to reach out and poison weak and unstable minds.

As you said Mac; they have to be easily led in the first place to be radicalised to such an extreme extent. The ordinary Joe (or Joanna!) soap wouldn't be driven to do such evil simply because some fanatic (of whatever religion/creed/belief) is telling them to do so on some twisted website. Plus; you'd have to wonder at the perpetrators' mental state of mind, that they were prepared to commit such an atrocity in the name of religion.

And yes; before anyone says. I can appreciate the irony of that last sentence being uttered by someone living on this island, where lunatics from each side carried out atrocities in the name of religion/land/allegiance.

 

[didactic]

Re: Woolich killing

I wonder what the headlines would have been if it was two white lads that beheaded a muslim?

And the aftermath and protests?

Strange country we live in...

Stabbed to death 3 weeks ago basically in front of his house while coming back from evening pray in the nearby mosque in Birmingham.

Got two articles in DailyMail. None outside of UK while I can read 3-4 about Woolwich on any local or non-local portal worldwide. Unfortunately for him, he was not a hero who served his country occupying another one thousands miles from it, he was just retired 76-years old baker.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2316958/Small-Heath-stabbing-Birmingham-pensioner-Mohammed-Saleem-Chaudry-killed-way-evening-prayers.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ayers.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2318229/Muhammed-Saleem-Chaudhry-murder-racially-motivated-CCTV-showing-white-man-running-away-released.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eased.html</a>

When Western societies and hypocrite muslim hating cun.ts from this thread and thousands of others written around the world today start to treat muslim lives and blood half as expensive as non-muslim ones than there might be chance there would be less or no at all idiots like those two that made a Woolwich murder.

Until then, morons like two of those in Woolwich will always have excuse for their acts. And we'll see them on regular basis.

Thank you MSP you have my respect.

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

R.I.P

Where did we change as a society so that the murder of one person causes more fear, outrage, changes in law, and general insanity than our parents and grand parents generation. They were hearing of thousands dying on a daily basis. The country did not go insane then so why are we seemingly doing that now?

Because then we knew the enemy.

So how do you fight a "war" without knowing your enemy? Where do you plant your flag to say you have won? Who on the other side has the right to surrender for all the "enemy". The policy of the west has for winning the war on terror is a some what laughable. We will just keep killing "terrorists" er...... "Well we will just keep killing terrorists" and the fear of knowing that a bomb is coming is far greater than anything the majority of people living now have ever had to deal with. Fucking hell if there were more threats that were actually carried out in this country On current evidence we would tear it to pieces.

 

[MSP]

Reading between the lines it seems some people justify or refuse to condemn this attack as attacks on innocent civilians by the British forces have been going on for years and their numbers are in the hundreds, thousands or whatever that number may be.

Now in my eyes two wrongs, if you consider both wrong, do not make a right. And if you don't consider one or the other wrong then I have little time for you. This thread is about the lad, a local lad who was butchered. No doubting the foreign policy has affected these and other young men and their extremist views. But surely that's for another thread, and not in here with the undertones that this murder can be justified by another atrocity when their is no justification whatsoever.

Nobody justifies anything, specially if you were referring on my post.

But I'm certainly not justifying those that don't give a shit about muslims killed all around the world ans even in the middle of Britain but go in full warrior muslim-hating mode when opposite happens.

Those can suck my muslim one.

 

[didactic]

Reading between the lines it seems some people justify or refuse to condemn this attack as attacks on innocent civilians by the British forces have been going on for years and their numbers are in the hundreds, thousands or whatever that number may be.

Now in my eyes two wrongs, if you consider both wrong, do not make a right. And if you don't consider one or the other wrong then I have little time for you. This thread is about the lad, a local lad who was butchered. No doubting the foreign policy has affected these and other young men and their extremist views. But surely that's for another thread, and not in here with the undertones that this murder can be justified by another atrocity when their is no justification whatsoever.

Not at all everyone is condemning this attack some are just debating causes and what we can do to prevent future atrocities.

This thread is not about the lad only but the entire situation what caused it and how people feel.

 

[mackenzie]

R.I.P

Where did we change as a society so that the murder of one person causes more fear, outrage, changes in law, and general insanity than our parents and grand parents generation. They were hearing of thousands dying on a daily basis. The country did not go insane then so why are we seemingly doing that now?

Because then we knew the enemy.

So how do you fight a "war" without knowing your enemy? Where do you plant your flag to say you have won? Who on the other side has the right to surrender for all the "enemy". The policy of the west has for winning the war on terror is a some what laughable. We will just keep killing "terrorists" er...... "Well we will just keep killing terrorists" and the fear of knowing that a bomb is coming is far greater than anything the majority of people living now have ever had to deal with. Fucking hell if there were more threats that were actually carried out in this country On current evidence we would tear it to pieces.

That is why the war is on terrorism. And why it is difficult to contain or win. It's like a disease or virus that infiltrates quietly and unseen and then manifests itself only when the damage has been done.
It's scary really but there has to be some balance introduced in that situations like this are, thankfully, few and far between at the moment.

 

[didactic]

Reading between the lines it seems some people justify or refuse to condemn this attack as attacks on innocent civilians by the British forces have been going on for years and their numbers are in the hundreds, thousands or whatever that number may be.

Now in my eyes two wrongs, if you consider both wrong, do not make a right. And if you don't consider one or the other wrong then I have little time for you. This thread is about the lad, a local lad who was butchered. No doubting the foreign policy has affected these and other young men and their extremist views. But surely that's for another thread, and not in here with the undertones that this murder can be justified by another atrocity when their is no justification whatsoever.

Nobody justifies anything, specially if you were referring on my post.

But I'm certainly not justifying those that don't give a shit about muslims killed all around the world ans even in the middle of Britain but go in full warrior muslim-hating mode when opposite happens.

Those can suck my muslim one.

To think we can never agree on Dzeko but on this topic we are kindred spirits.

 

[MSP]

Reading between the lines it seems some people justify or refuse to condemn this attack as attacks on innocent civilians by the British forces have been going on for years and their numbers are in the hundreds, thousands or whatever that number may be.

Now in my eyes two wrongs, if you consider both wrong, do not make a right. And if you don't consider one or the other wrong then I have little time for you. This thread is about the lad, a local lad who was butchered. No doubting the foreign policy has affected these and other young men and their extremist views. But surely that's for another thread, and not in here with the undertones that this murder can be justified by another atrocity when their is no justification whatsoever.

Nobody justifies anything, specially if you were referring on my post.

But I'm certainly not justifying those that don't give a shit about muslims killed all around the world ans even in the middle of Britain but go in full warrior muslim-hating mode when opposite happens.

Those can suck my muslim one.

To think we can never agree on Dzeko but on this topic we are kindred spirits.

Dzeko is one of my smallest concerns mate, believe me.