Work For Dole

[nelsons willie]

Well done Gideon.This is a man of the people, we need more like him.

 

[kinkysleftfoot]

Another idea is to make the jobless go to the job centre every day in their search for work. Where i live that would cost each person either £2 or £3.50 a day. JSA is about £52 a week so it's a big chunk out of their money.

FFS people used to walk miles just to queue outside factory gates for the chance of a shift, just shows that people are not motivated enough these days to work. I would get on my bike and cycle to the job centre!

 

[RP2]

Trust me I'm no tory but I don't understand what the fuss is about. Have people actually read in to the policy?

Compulsory community work doesn't come in to play until after 2 years of being on the work programme. Then according to the BBC...

These people are expected to either join a training scheme, take part in a Mandatory Work Activity placement or undergo intensive work preparation.

2 years is a long time to be unemployed.

I agree.

People who want to find work, will do within 2 years...... after 6 months on the dole, you are offered help to retrain, so thoses still on the dole after 2 years should 'work' for their benefits.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Another idea is to make the jobless go to the job centre every day in their search for work. Where i live that would cost each person either £2 or £3.50 a day. JSA is about £52 a week so it's a big chunk out of their money.

FFS people used to walk miles just to queue outside factory gates for the chance of a shift, just shows that people are not motivated enough these days to work. I would get on my bike and cycle to the job centre!

I would nick your bike and sell it for crack while I watch my 400" telly in my council flat

 

[Blue Hefner]

If a job needs doing then pay someone to do it, people shouldn't be 'forced' to do anything in 2013.

Just a few questions though:
Would lunch be provided?
How would they get there? Would they all stand at a bus stop or would the 'dole wagon' come around collecting them?

Just another attack on the unemployed

No lunch they have there dole paid to get that.

They would all rounded up on a wagon be dressed in bright orange boiler suits with scrounger printed on the front and back just to remind people to scream insults at them when they drive past.

Thought so, great idea but I've got a better one.

Why not just make them live in camps, then they can forage and hunt their own food and do odd jobs round the camps then they would be of use and the public wouldn't have to see them. Send the goverment to Pyongyang and see how the camps there work, I'm sure we could do with some tips...

 

[stonerblue]

Another idea is to make the jobless go to the job centre every day in their search for work. Where i live that would cost each person either £2 or £3.50 a day. JSA is about £52 a week so it's a big chunk out of their money.

FFS people used to walk miles just to queue outside factory gates for the chance of a shift, just shows that people are not motivated enough these days to work. I would get on my bike and cycle to the job centre!

What's a 'factory'?

 

[2sheikhs]

For anyone who thinks it's a good idea, where do the people who have their benefit stopped for 4 weeks get money to survive?
They'll just commit crimes instead.

 

[crystal_mais]

Another idea is to make the jobless go to the job centre every day in their search for work. Where i live that would cost each person either £2 or £3.50 a day. JSA is about £52 a week so it's a big chunk out of their money.

FFS people used to walk miles just to queue outside factory gates for the chance of a shift, just shows that people are not motivated enough these days to work. I would get on my bike and cycle to the job centre!

comfort zone - this may be a breach for some - I know people keen to jump on this

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Even as a self confessed, fervant right wing child of Margaret I have to say this just doesn't sit right.
Discuss:

Chancellor: 'Jobless Must Work For The Dole'

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'The long-term unemployed will have to earn their benefits by doing full-time unpaid community work from next year.
From April, people still without work after two years on the coalition's Work Programme will face three options if they want to remain on the dole.
They will have to do community work such as litter picking, visit a job centre every day or take part in compulsory training to tackle problems like illiteracy.

Those who break the rules of the new Help to Work scheme, for example by failing to turn up without a good reason, could lose their benefit for four weeks. A second offence would see them lose it for three months.

Chancellor George Osborne is unveiling the tough US-style initiative in his speech to the Tory conference, pledging to end the "something for nothing" culture.Ahead of his address, he insisted on Sky News that the policy was not a return to the Conservative "nasty party" of old - describing the move as "compassionate".

"This is not about punishment, this is about help," he stressed, but also said: "What we are saying is there is no option of doing nothing any more.
"We are saying we are going to help you into work but we are going to ask for something in return. I think it is a very compassionate approach to people who previous governments just ignored."

Amid concern that job centres will be overstretched, he added that they would have extra money to police the scheme.
The Chancellor's speech came as TNT announced it was creating 1,000 new jobs by expanding its postal delivery service.
Potentially, around 200,000 long-term Jobseeker's Allowance claimants could be eligible for the new coalition initiative.

But ministers believe the numbers on it will be significantly lower, as many of those working covertly will decide it is no longer worth trying to claim benefits and drop out.The scheme, devised by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, will cost around £300m - with the money likely to be found from departmental underspends.

Sky's chief political correspondent Jon Craig described the new conditions as "a tough crackdown".
Labour's shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, Rachel Reeves, said: "It's taken three wasted years of rising long-term unemployment and a failed Work Programme to come up with this new scheme.

"But this policy is not as ambitious as Labour's compulsory jobs guarantee, which would ensure there is a paid job for every young person out of work for over 12 months and every adult unemployed for more than two years."

During his speech later, Mr Osborne is not expected to unveil specific action on living standards, despite pressure to respond to Labour leader Ed Miliband's energy price freeze pledge last week.
Instead, the Chancellor will stress the need to stick with the coalition's economic plans, warning that the UK still has not fully recovered from the credit crunch.

He told Sky: "Our economic plan is helping Britain turn a corner. We have dealt with the problems we inherited, we have still got a long way to go ...

"By contrast the Labour party got us into this mess and all I hear from them is that they want more borrowing and more spending. A set of gimmicky announcements isn't going to cover up the fact that they don't have a credible economic policy."
Critics claimed the Government scheme would treat the unemployed more harshly than criminals and was just a "rehash" of plans that had already failed.

Joanna Long, from the Boycott Workfare campaign, said: "It's bad news for people who will be forced to work at far below the minimum wage - and it's terrible news for the people whose jobs they will be replacing. "This is about cutting the safety net for unemployed people, and handing something for nothing to charities, companies and councils which should be paying wages and taxes."

Graeme Cooke, from the Institute for Public Policy Research, added that the measures would probably only affect one in 20 people on the dole and warned it needed careful planning.

"The key issue is how such schemes are designed. If they give people real experience of work and the practical employability habits that go with it, they can help people be more attractive to prospective employers," he said.

"But if it is pitched as a punishment where people do menial tasks, it risks acting as a signal to employers that these are people not to employ."
But Matthew Sinclair, chief executive of the TaxPayers' Alliance, welcomed the move, insisting it was unfair to have people on benefits "for years on end".

"There is plenty of international evidence from countries such as Australia, Canada and the US that this type of scheme is not only fairer on those footing the welfare bill, but also gets people back into work," he said.'

In one step the Nasti Party have managed to dismantle the minimum wage protection afforded to most. 150 YEARS of employment rights which our parents fought for and some even died for ,being F*cked off by an unelected bunch of tw@ts most of which have never done a hard days graft in their life

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Even as a self confessed, fervant right wing child of Margaret I have to say this just doesn't sit right.
Discuss:

Chancellor: 'Jobless Must Work For The Dole'

<a class="postlink" href="http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/chancellor-jobless-must-dole-012543653.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/chance ... 43653.html</a>

'The long-term unemployed will have to earn their benefits by doing full-time unpaid community work from next year.
From April, people still without work after two years on the coalition's Work Programme will face three options if they want to remain on the dole.
They will have to do community work such as litter picking, visit a job centre every day or take part in compulsory training to tackle problems like illiteracy.

Those who break the rules of the new Help to Work scheme, for example by failing to turn up without a good reason, could lose their benefit for four weeks. A second offence would see them lose it for three months.

Chancellor George Osborne is unveiling the tough US-style initiative in his speech to the Tory conference, pledging to end the "something for nothing" culture.Ahead of his address, he insisted on Sky News that the policy was not a return to the Conservative "nasty party" of old - describing the move as "compassionate".

"This is not about punishment, this is about help," he stressed, but also said: "What we are saying is there is no option of doing nothing any more.
"We are saying we are going to help you into work but we are going to ask for something in return. I think it is a very compassionate approach to people who previous governments just ignored."

Amid concern that job centres will be overstretched, he added that they would have extra money to police the scheme.
The Chancellor's speech came as TNT announced it was creating 1,000 new jobs by expanding its postal delivery service.
Potentially, around 200,000 long-term Jobseeker's Allowance claimants could be eligible for the new coalition initiative.

But ministers believe the numbers on it will be significantly lower, as many of those working covertly will decide it is no longer worth trying to claim benefits and drop out.The scheme, devised by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, will cost around £300m - with the money likely to be found from departmental underspends.

Sky's chief political correspondent Jon Craig described the new conditions as "a tough crackdown".
Labour's shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, Rachel Reeves, said: "It's taken three wasted years of rising long-term unemployment and a failed Work Programme to come up with this new scheme.

"But this policy is not as ambitious as Labour's compulsory jobs guarantee, which would ensure there is a paid job for every young person out of work for over 12 months and every adult unemployed for more than two years."

During his speech later, Mr Osborne is not expected to unveil specific action on living standards, despite pressure to respond to Labour leader Ed Miliband's energy price freeze pledge last week.
Instead, the Chancellor will stress the need to stick with the coalition's economic plans, warning that the UK still has not fully recovered from the credit crunch.

He told Sky: "Our economic plan is helping Britain turn a corner. We have dealt with the problems we inherited, we have still got a long way to go ...

"By contrast the Labour party got us into this mess and all I hear from them is that they want more borrowing and more spending. A set of gimmicky announcements isn't going to cover up the fact that they don't have a credible economic policy."
Critics claimed the Government scheme would treat the unemployed more harshly than criminals and was just a "rehash" of plans that had already failed.

Joanna Long, from the Boycott Workfare campaign, said: "It's bad news for people who will be forced to work at far below the minimum wage - and it's terrible news for the people whose jobs they will be replacing. "This is about cutting the safety net for unemployed people, and handing something for nothing to charities, companies and councils which should be paying wages and taxes."

Graeme Cooke, from the Institute for Public Policy Research, added that the measures would probably only affect one in 20 people on the dole and warned it needed careful planning.

"The key issue is how such schemes are designed. If they give people real experience of work and the practical employability habits that go with it, they can help people be more attractive to prospective employers," he said.

"But if it is pitched as a punishment where people do menial tasks, it risks acting as a signal to employers that these are people not to employ."
But Matthew Sinclair, chief executive of the TaxPayers' Alliance, welcomed the move, insisting it was unfair to have people on benefits "for years on end".

"There is plenty of international evidence from countries such as Australia, Canada and the US that this type of scheme is not only fairer on those footing the welfare bill, but also gets people back into work," he said.'

In one step the Nasti Party have managed to dismantle the minimum wage protection afforded to most. 150 YEARS of employment rights which our parents fought for and some even died for ,being F*cked off by an unelected bunch of tw@ts most of which have never done a hard days graft in their life

You forgot to mention the cost of missiles in this post