Would the Insulate Britain Protests Work in Manchester?

[Mr Kobayashi]

A pal has just sent me this…

Be honest.... you tugged one off to that didn't you?

 

[i kne albert davy]

Thinking about my house - previously I have had two occasions when energy companies, were running subsidy schemes to insulate the walls. On both occasions (different energy companies), the survey was done, and the house confirmed as being suitable. Paperwork completed.

When the installer's arrived, I was fobbed off with reasons why they could not do the job. I can't remember the first excuse, but the second one was a corker...

I need to knock a hole in your wall to fit a flue/vent, as you have an open aired gas fire and that the insulation could cause carbon monoxide poisoning, I tried to tell him that the fire had some sort of cut/off device on it. He then went off to phone his supervisor, came back and said unless he could make a hole for the flue/vent thingy, then he could not insulate the building - as he would be liable, If anyone died in my house.

As the walls had been recently plastered/painted - I declined his offer. I later spent a lot of time and effort getting the manufacturers of the gas fire to confirm, that he was talking a load of bollocks.

I should imagine that the energy companies, who paid for the work to be done, duly paid up.

Hate to tell you mate but Carbon Monoxides pretty serious shit, if your fire doesn't have a safety rating plate, or you had the handbook saying the fire required no purpose made ventilation I wouldn't have fitted it either without a core vent being fitted.It's nothing to do with the cavity wall insulation fitted or not its the law. I shouldn't like to be responsible for your or a member of your families death not to mention ending up in court. So it wasn't him talking bollocks.

 

[i kne albert davy]

They do not have a point. If it’s worth doing people have already done it. No one likes pissing money away or feeling cold if they can help it. Much of it has been paid for by everyone in their electricity bill via the green levies. There are already limits on how insulated a property must be before it can be rented out. Every house sold must have a report on energy performance made available to potential buyers.

As you say, the stuff is available. It is subsidised. People know about it. So what is the point of blocking roads and wasting everyone’s time?! The only reason is because they are nobheads who want to show how much better they are than everyone else.

I don’t drive but if they ever try block a road near me they’ll be getting a slap.

No subsidised insulation now I'm afraid unless you're on a qualifying benefit. lets see what ECO 4 brings.

 

[manchester blue]

Or ask them to chose a lane on Denton roundabout as I’ve never a clue which one to go in !!

The one with the shortest queue. :)

 

[manchester blue]

Hate to tell you mate but Carbon Monoxides pretty serious shit, if your fire doesn't have a safety rating plate, or you had the handbook saying the fire required no purpose made ventilation I wouldn't have fitted it either without a core vent being fitted.It's nothing to do with the cavity wall insulation fitted or not its the law. I shouldn't like to be responsible for your or a member of your families death not to mention ending up in court. So it wasn't him talking bollocks.

I think any room with a coal fire or a gas for over 7.5 kw, or gas fire with back boiler, needed a vent fitted. Without an air source these would remove one part of oxygen from the air leaving carbon monoxide meaning death. So he would have been right as you say.

Surveyor maybe should have spotted it though.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I think any room with a coal fire or a gas for over 7.5 kw, or gas fire with back boiler, needed a vent fitted. Without an air source these would remove one part of oxygen from the air leaving carbon monoxide meaning death. So he would have been right as you say.

Surveyor maybe should have spotted it though.

The surveyor should have definitely seen it that's his job category 1 fail if fitted and a trustmark inspector checks the property. Regardless of cavity wall insulation any flueless gas fire, any DFE gas fire above 7kw any open fire any fire without a visible rating plate, gas fire with a back boiler or glass fronted log burner above 5KW require a 100cm2 core vent to admit free air. Carbon Monoxides lethal 800 ppm and you're dead in minutes.

 

[Chris B]

No subsidised insulation now I'm afraid unless you're on a qualifying benefit. lets see what ECO 4 brings.

There’s still the reduced VAT I think, but I agree ECO3 is less generous than previous schemes for those not in the favoured groups. I suppose that reflects that any democratic government has to balance the cost with the benefit, it can’t just shout and glue its face to the road.

 

[Octavian]

Be honest.... you tugged one off to that didn't you?

Can’t get it up these days.

 

[Fat Larrys Band]

The surveyor should have definitely seen it that's his job category 1 fail if fitted and a trustmark inspector checks the property. Regardless of cavity wall insulation any flueless gas fire, any DFE gas fire above 7kw any open fire any fire without a visible rating plate, gas fire with a back boiler or glass fronted log burner above 5KW require a 100cm2 core vent to admit free air. Carbon Monoxides lethal 800 ppm and you're dead in minutes.

I am asking because I don't know...
If the fire is in an open chimney - why does it extract any monoxide?
If you have to have a 100cm2 core vent - blowing a gale through your living room, doesn't it negate the whole idea of insulating the room?

Cheers

 

[i kne albert davy]

I am asking because I don't know...
If the fire is in an open chimney - why does it extract any monoxide?
If you have to have a 100cm2 core vent - blowing a gale through your living room, doesn't it negate the whole idea of insulating the room?

Cheers

Morning, yes the chimney extracts the waste gases we've had them for hundreds of years and they work a treat. Alas any vertical flue can block, birds nest masonry etc. the chances are small I know but the law doesn't allow anything other than safety first now I'm afraid. fitting the vent does allow cold air (and oxygen) into the room with the open fire. Unfortunately its not the installers fault the initial surveyor should have explained it to you rather than the fitters turning up, but it was confusing as for around 3 years after 2010 if memory serves the Government said open fires didn't require a vent and then changed their minds. Building regs part J i think, if you if you wanted to sell your house the surveyor would pull it and insist one was fitted anyway before sale.