Would You Accept A Rapist Playing For City?

[goater1978]

The subject matter of the original question has veered off topic slightly.It was,''Would you accept a rapist playing for CITY?''

We probably will all agree that supporting City is a big part of our lives,we feel an emotional attatchment,a bond,like a family.That is a lot different to watching a film,or Mike Tyson box.I am sure Ched Evans has to make a living when he is released from prison and try to rebuild his life.Even if he was Messi i wouldn't want to see him in the sky blue shirt,it just wouldn't feel right.I also wouldn't want to work in my present job with a convicted rapist no matter how long he had served.Sure he has to make a living somewhere but that isn't my problem,working alongside him or watching him run out in a City shirt would be.

This is a good point, supporters have an emotional attachment to City that is more meaningful than towards a film director / boxer.

A good example would be, would you be happy to set up your daughter / sister / mother with a convicted rapist? Would the fact that they'd "served their time" override your feelings towards your family member?

The questions not "happy" though it's "accept". If a member of your family brings home a partner that has a conviction for rape you probably wouldn't be happy about it but you would probably have to accept it.

At the end of the day Cheds got a lass so her family have to accept it.

 

[Shaelumstash]

The subject matter of the original question has veered off topic slightly.It was,''Would you accept a rapist playing for CITY?''

We probably will all agree that supporting City is a big part of our lives,we feel an emotional attatchment,a bond,like a family.That is a lot different to watching a film,or Mike Tyson box.I am sure Ched Evans has to make a living when he is released from prison and try to rebuild his life.Even if he was Messi i wouldn't want to see him in the sky blue shirt,it just wouldn't feel right.I also wouldn't want to work in my present job with a convicted rapist no matter how long he had served.Sure he has to make a living somewhere but that isn't my problem,working alongside him or watching him run out in a City shirt would be.

This is a good point, supporters have an emotional attachment to City that is more meaningful than towards a film director / boxer.

A good example would be, would you be happy to set up your daughter / sister / mother with a convicted rapist? Would the fact that they'd "served their time" override your feelings towards your family member?

The questions not "happy" though it's "accept". If a member of your family brings home a partner that has a conviction for rape you probably wouldn't be happy about it but you would probably have to accept it.

At the end of the day Cheds got a lass so her family have to accept it.

Yeh but that's the point, it's one thing to consider whether a rapist deserves another chance at a career / relationship, it's quite another whether you would approve of it for your club / family.

And the point you make isn't really applicable. If City were buying Ched Evans, it wouldn't be on the sly, and then they'd announce it once he'd been playing for us for 3 months. The question is whether it would be an issue for you, and in both cases for me it would.

 

[goater1978]

This is a good point, supporters have an emotional attachment to City that is more meaningful than towards a film director / boxer.

A good example would be, would you be happy to set up your daughter / sister / mother with a convicted rapist? Would the fact that they'd "served their time" override your feelings towards your family member?

The questions not "happy" though it's "accept". If a member of your family brings home a partner that has a conviction for rape you probably wouldn't be happy about it but you would probably have to accept it.

At the end of the day Cheds got a lass so her family have to accept it.

Yeh but that's the point, it's one thing to consider whether a rapist deserves another chance at a career / relationship, it's quite another whether you would approve of it for your club / family.

And the point you make isn't really applicable. If City were buying Ched Evans, it wouldn't be on the sly, and then they'd announce it once he'd been playing for us for 3 months. The question is whether it would be an issue for you, and in both cases for me it would.

An issue that would stop you supporting or going to city matches?

You say it would be an issue but if you still went to games and supported city then you would accept it. You just wouldn't be happy about it.

 

[paulchapo]

The subject matter of the original question has veered off topic slightly.It was,''Would you accept a rapist playing for CITY?''

We probably will all agree that supporting City is a big part of our lives,we feel an emotional attatchment,a bond,like a family.That is a lot different to watching a film,or Mike Tyson box.I am sure Ched Evans has to make a living when he is released from prison and try to rebuild his life.Even if he was Messi i wouldn't want to see him in the sky blue shirt,it just wouldn't feel right.I also wouldn't want to work in my present job with a convicted rapist no matter how long he had served.Sure he has to make a living somewhere but that isn't my problem,working alongside him or watching him run out in a City shirt would be.

This is a good point, supporters have an emotional attachment to City that is more meaningful than towards a film director / boxer.

A good example would be, would you be happy to set up your daughter / sister / mother with a convicted rapist? Would the fact that they'd "served their time" override your feelings towards your family member?

The questions not "happy" though it's "accept". If a member of your family brings home a partner that has a conviction for rape you probably wouldn't be happy about it but you would probably have to accept it.

At the end of the day Cheds got a lass so her family have to accept it.

Again we are veering off topic. The question was about playing for City,not someone as your prospective brother/son in law that takes it a stage further and adds even more emotion into the equation.

Who says any of us would accept it anyway,whether a member of our family loved them or not?

It is remarkable the girl has stuck by him,she has her own reasons as to why,the fact he cheated on her by having sex with the girl he was convicted of raping would be enough for most women to walk away.

 

[Shaelumstash]

The questions not "happy" though it's "accept". If a member of your family brings home a partner that has a conviction for rape you probably wouldn't be happy about it but you would probably have to accept it.

At the end of the day Cheds got a lass so her family have to accept it.

Yeh but that's the point, it's one thing to consider whether a rapist deserves another chance at a career / relationship, it's quite another whether you would approve of it for your club / family.

And the point you make isn't really applicable. If City were buying Ched Evans, it wouldn't be on the sly, and then they'd announce it once he'd been playing for us for 3 months. The question is whether it would be an issue for you, and in both cases for me it would.

An issue that would stop you supporting or going to city matches?

You say it would be an issue but if you still went to games and supported city then you would accept it. You just wouldn't be happy about it.

Well it's down to the context of how you define "accept" in this instance. I interpret it as would it have my blessing, and the answer to that is no. Would it be an issue for me? Yes. Would it stop me going to games? I'm not sure, I'd hope to never be in that position, but where do you draw the line? Would you "accept" it if we signed a nonce?

 

[phil-mcfc]

I understand and accept people's arguments about helping with the rehabilitation of people into society who have committed crimes. I suppose once they have served their sentence that the court deemed fit for their crime, they should then be allowed to move on with their lives.

However, the question here is would you accept him playing for City? Should he be allowed to play for our football club? This is the specifics of the situation and the answer for this situation should, in my opinion, be a most definite 'no'.

If, for example, City were to offer Ched Evans a contract, they (Manchester City - a team/company/employer known to millions around the world) would be seen to be endorsing, or at least, not objecting to, rape. It's because of this that he should not be allowed anywhere near a football club again. He can get another job, but not one in the public eye such as a professional footballer. Not one that makes wives, girlfriends and daughters uncomfortable about going to matches. Not one that gives him hours of screen-time around the world every month. Not one that puts him in a position where kids will worship him, until they're old enough to understand or find out what he's done.

Put him on a programme, help him, find him a job, but not one where he gets paid thousands of pounds a week to be a public figure and role model to millions. That ship's sailed.

 

[cibaman]

"Playing for City" muddles the issue, since we would be paying millions and he would achieve near superstar status.

Do I think Evans should have a chance to resurrect his career? Yes

Do I think he should re-start at Sheffield United or a similar level? Re-start his career where he left off? Probably not. It would seem more appropriate for him to drop down a couple of divisions initially. Earn something nearer to average earnings for a couple of years, at least until he's "served" the full 5 years.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

"Playing for City" muddles the issue, since we would be paying millions and he would achieve near superstar status.

Do I think Evans should have a chance to resurrect his career? Yes

Do I think he should re-start at Sheffield United or a similar level? Re-start his career where he left off? Probably not. It would seem more appropriate for him to drop down a couple of divisions initially. Earn something nearer to average earnings for a couple of years, at least until he's "served" the full 5 years.

In many ways I agree with this - I too think that once someone has served their time for any crime then they deserve a second chance, as the alternative would be thousands of folk coming out of custody with no chance of finding employment, which would just increase the risk of reoffending.
Where I do disagree is just where he resumes his career - he has done his time, and therefore should be entitled to work for any employer who is prepared to pay him - expecting him to earn less is simply punishing him again for an offence he has already been punished for, and this just isn't how the real world works anyway.
Jeffrey Archer wrote a best selling novel whilst in prison, so clearly he didn't suffer financially, and the Guinness fraudsters all got early release on medical grounds only to get well paid jobs in the city, so they weren't punished further either.
I can't stand rapists, but if they have served their sentence, then they should have the same employment prospects as the rest of us.

 

[goater1978]

Yeh but that's the point, it's one thing to consider whether a rapist deserves another chance at a career / relationship, it's quite another whether you would approve of it for your club / family.

And the point you make isn't really applicable. If City were buying Ched Evans, it wouldn't be on the sly, and then they'd announce it once he'd been playing for us for 3 months. The question is whether it would be an issue for you, and in both cases for me it would.

An issue that would stop you supporting or going to city matches?

You say it would be an issue but if you still went to games and supported city then you would accept it. You just wouldn't be happy about it.

Well it's down to the context of how you define "accept" in this instance. I interpret it as would it have my blessing, and the answer to that is no. Would it be an issue for me? Yes. Would it stop me going to games? I'm not sure, I'd hope to never be in that position, but where do you draw the line? Would you "accept" it if we signed a nonce?

Graham rix was a nonce and he continued his career in football on release.

 

[alib]

Van Persie could do a job as our 4th striker?